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Do you still pay for music?

What do you want to come with an album?

  • More pictures of the band/artist possible with fans and performing

    Votes: 20 31.7%
  • Miniature biography, possibly linking to where I can find the full read

    Votes: 12 19.0%
  • A thank you letter with his or her/bands autograph and stickers.

    Votes: 8 12.7%
  • Other (post below)

    Votes: 23 36.5%

  • Total voters
    63
I am quite the vinyl collector. It's my preferred medium, with CD a close second. Whenever there's a yard sale going on you can see me going through record boxes...

Most of the stuff I listen to I have to buy because, youtube aside, the tracks rarely have been digitalized or are available at all. A few exceptions are records that go for $50+ which is just insane.

If there's one thing that I'd like to see more of in records is pictures. When there aren't any, it kind of feels less personal. I especially love studio shots, or gear shots in general, or the band hanging out (staged shots are goofy though)
 
I have always paid for music, The problem me think is that nowadays people buy songs instead of albums, why to spend 10 dollars in an album when you can spend 2-3 USD and get the best of it.

As example, I have 200 songs in my ipod from 200 different artists, that is $ 200 USD, if I bought the whole albums we were talking about spending around $2,000 USD . Big difference.
 
I will make a confession, that I have downloaded music for free, from youtube. It's usually either a) a song someone in the band wants us to play that I have no personal interest in and won't listen to apart from learning to play it, or b) an artist I've heard recommended and am checking out. If I like them I'll go on to buy the CD. So I can't claim to be lily-white and have NO music on my hard drive that wasn't paid for. But the vast majority of my music is bought and paid for, especially of what I listen to with any regularity.

I think a lot of people today get free music just because they can, and don't think about the moral issue. Unless someone finds a way to make it so they can't, music sales are going to continue to be in their current depressed state. I think that what we're seeing in response is "collector's editions" that are marketed not so much to the general public as to the artist's loyal fans, who will pay extra for that deluxe item that makes them feel like a real super-fan. I personally have little use for such things, but I think that the more personal and unique the value-added is, the more effective - which makes me think the letter/autograph route, or autographed picture, is probably the way to go.
 
I've actually paid three times over for the same product on occasion. I have bought an LP in the 80's, then the CD in the 90's and the electronic version via iTunes in recent years.

I'm not saying that to polish my halo, but I'm fundamentally too lazy to do stuff like transfer a CD to an MP3 file, so I just bang it straight to my phone from iTunes.

Having said that, it has to be a decent album by an artist whose pockets I don't mind lining.
 
I do not buy much music because to be honest, there hasn't been much that has come out in the last 25 years that has interested me enough to want to buy it. There have been some exceptions. I bought Pearl Jam "Live in NYC" when it was released in 2006. I also bought the Tommy Shaw/Jack Blades CD "Influence" when it was first released. There have been a few other songs by Stone Pilots, Pearl Jam and some other bands that I liked which I purchased through I-Tunes but there is very little that interested me enough to buy an entire album. When I do buy, its usually an I-Tunes download. Buying through a download is convenient but I like the old days when I would buy an album that had great pictures and liner notes. It made me feel more attached to the band. I used to buy a lot and have a combine total of over 3,000 albums on vinyl and cd as well as about 500 cassettes.
 
I still have hundreds of LPs from years of hunting through used record stores back in the 80s. They was when I had less money and more time. Now iTunes is quick and cheap, and if I only like one song I don't have to buy the whole album.

But I really do miss the experience of an actual tangible item. I miss album covers, with the art and the notes... Before the Internet a lot of what you knew about an artist came from the album cover. Times are different in both good and bad ways. I don't know if the magic can be re-captured. We've bitten the apple, we have been kicked out of the garden.
 
Finally surrendered. Spotify is it

Unvelievable how much is available and learn much more about folks never would have heard of

Just have to significantly drop standards which once it happens makes things much easier like now streaming thru a wireless box

Just have to figure out what to do w thousands of CDs no longer touched (and Cassettes and Minidiscs and....)
 
As somebody who sells his music, I notice people just don't pay for music anymore. Charts that display music sales by each year also prove that people are buying music less and less.

I've been trying to figure out ways independent artists can make their albums more desirable. Like if you made it come with stickers, photos, miniature bio etc.

What would make you want to buy more albums from your favorite or independent artists? Stickers, more photos, a letter to you personally? What do you want to be included?

As I have gotten older, there has been a steady increase in the percentage of my music that is payed for. Same with software, movies, and videogames. When I was a teenager, I would pirate stuff without thinking. Now that I'm 28, I have realized certain thing about life, how things work. See: bands need to make money.

The big thing is availability and right next to that, competitive pricing. I need to be able to get your music, in a way that suits me, for a price that doesn't make me feel like I was taken advantage of for choosing the way that suits me. Whether that be up front cost, shipping cost, hidden consts/fees, etc.

Your stuff needs to be available in every possible way. That way a customer can get it exactly the way they want it. If you present many options/all the options, more people will buy. Physical options are the most expensive to produce and distribute. So it is understandable if your band can't swing that. But if you can, by all means do it. Otherwise, you have digital. get on iTunes. Get on Amazon. Bandcamp. etc. Let people buy your music the way they want it. On Bandcamp, it is common for bands to offer their album in several digital formats and varying quality. From lossy to lossless. But with digital, don't only offer one outlet for availability. I am not an iTunes user, due to their resistance to MP3, often relatively lower encoding quality, and I dislike iTunes software or any music management software, for that matter. But 3 times ever, I have bought stuff on iTunes, because a band to which I could be considered a core fan, has not offered something anywhere else but iTunes. If you sell CDs on Amazon, get in on the feature where a physical CD purchase also includes the MP3 album along with it.

pricing is a big thing, as well. I know that bands on small labels, indy bands, and unsigned bands do not have the financial subsidization that big bands on large labels have. But all the same, if you are trying to sell your album for $20 in 2013, people are probably not going to buy it. If you are trying to sell your demo or E.P. for $10+, people are probably not going to buy it. Don't take advantage of your potential customers. Digital should always be cheaper than physical. Physical should only cost as much as it HAS to. If you can offer physical for the same price as digital, DO IT.

having it available somewhere to be at least sampled, if not listened to entirely, for free, that doesn't require extra software or a membership, is a great thing. It's likely that many people have not otherwise heard of your/heard your music. Nobody likes buying a mystery. Let them have a listen. Put a few complete songs on youtube, soundcloud, get a website to host a stream for a limited period, etc. If you are hesitant to give it all up, prepare some samples and put them on youtube, soundcloud, etc. get links to that stuff right next to any links to buy, if possible. Put live videos on youtube. Offer a free song in exchange for email contact/facebook following/twitter following/etc. If you can't arrange to get good, good sounding footage from actual shows, do some live in-home/studio recordings for youtube. People love stuff like that. Especially people that can't see you play, due to geographic restrictions.

as far as extras and physical media: Nowadays, physical media for music is a shrinking market. Vinyl has a small resurgence, but on the whole, digital is mainstream. But once you have a good amount of core fans, those core fans will probably appreciate some phyiscal stuff. CDs, Vinyl, shirts, stickers. signed stuff like picks/CDs/straps/stickers. People love stickers. If someone in the band is an artist, something with their art on it would probably go over well. The key is to not inundate the band financially, by producing more than what will realistically sell/more than the band can afford. Offer bundle pricing. A few months ago I bought from Iced Earth, a package that contained a full Concert DVD, a two disc live album version, and a T-Shirt, for $25. When many bands would try to sell the T-shirt by itself, for $25.
 
Amazon gets most of my business.
Best Buy too.
CD's only.
I dont buy that much anymore, maybe 10-20 discs a year, if that, and Best Buy is pretty much only for a new release that they might stock.
Amazon has a decent selection. It's easy and if they have what you want you get it quick too.

No interest in downloading anything.

I like the booklet with CD's for album cover art, lyrics, band gear, a recent band photo and recording dates and locations.

I still have all of my LP's.
When CD's first came out I liked how they were minature, perfect sounding versions of their older big brother.
There's a sound quality that is hard to beat with a pristine LP on a decent system.
 
I buy music to have the physical item. Being a grateful dead fan, most of the music is free and for the taking. But i still enjoy the artwork, books, information about the concert or that period in the history and other extras. I subscribe to their 4 per-year release series called Dave's Picks. Albums are a bit of a different story tho... Ultimately I tihnk its the fan base that decides whether albums or live releases are profitable. If you like a band enough you will buy their material even if the music is free.
 
This may not be an issue for people who have a stable lifestyle where have been/will be living in the same place for years.

But something I have come to find out after being in the Air Force and now, being a civilian without a stable career and all total, moving around a lot:

Having physical items is a drag. I would love as much as the next person, to have a veritable library of (insert thing here). But having allllll that stuff is difficult to move and difficult to accommodate if you don't have a sizeable residence with storage.

It's bad enough that my core interests require large things (mountain bikes, basses, TVs, speakers, etc) but also having hundreds of small things can be burdensome, as well.

When I first went into the Air Force, I sort of saw this coming and put all of my PS2 games and DVDs into one big CD binder. and thank goodness I did. Because Blu-ray came out and then I was a civilian in San Francisco where the sky was the limit and I amassed a collection of even more DVDs, lots of Blu-rays, CDs, and other things like clothing. and then life sucked and I've moved 3 times since then, and having all of that stuff sucked.

I buy anything I can digitally, now. I wish there were a way I could buy Blu-rays digitally. But there isn't. So I still buy those when I want to own a TV show or Movie or Concert.
 
Good thread!
At this point most major artists are asking the same question and rely more and more on live performances to make money.
Indeed the offer/demand ratio created by the internet is not in favor of emerging artists.
Now, if the bar was raised tremendously there are still opportunities to sell music for those who release outstanding and exceptional albums.
So to answer your question: People will still want to pay for an awsome and fresh sounding music.
I recently heard Valerie June on NPR and headed straight to the music store to buy the CD.
 
My family buys a few CD's a month. (Yeah I know we're dinosaurs). We buy music that interests us, sometimes when there's a connection such as attending their gigs or meeting them personally. Each family member seems to have a musician that we "follow" and buy all of their recordings as they come out. These are typically non-rock players. We also attend a lot of live performances -- mostly classical.
 
Having physical items is a drag. I would love as much as the next person, to have a veritable library of (insert thing here). But having allllll that stuff is difficult to move and difficult to accommodate if you don't have a sizeable residence with storage.
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I buy anything I can digitally, now. I wish there were a way I could buy Blu-rays digitally. But there isn't. So I still buy those when I want to own a TV show or Movie or Concert.
Unquestionably, electronic media is much more convenient.

What we need to figure out is a way to re-capture the concept of ownership, which was more obvious and natural with physical media. Until then, electronic media will continue to be synonymous with "free" to many people.
 
Unquestionably, electronic media is much more convenient.

What we need to figure out is a way to re-capture the concept of ownership, which was more obvious and natural with physical media. Until then, electronic media will continue to be synonymous with "free" to many people.

There have been a few studies each year, for a few years, that have all concluded that on the whole, internet pirates are actually more likely to buy.

It's also important to note that society has changed. What was once a consumer base that wanted to own and display is now a consumer base that want access now and later, in a number of ways. and why shouldn't they---when that sort of mindset is being re-enforced. Example: I personally have 4 different devices, completely by coincidence, that can access Netflix, Amazon, and slew of other digital services. and I don't even have a smart phone! Those devices were bought for other, specific purposes. But there the capability is, all the same.

One of the biggest reasons people cite for piracy, is lack of availability. As I mentioned earlier, people want to have access to stuff, now. and they also want to be able to access it the way they want. Not stilted by one or two options, due to marketing deals or some such.(example: with TV shows, there really isn't any reason why episodes can't be for sale immediately. Yet you have to wait half a year or more, for the season to be released for sale. 24 Season 7 was available on DVD and Blu-ray, the day of the finale. You could actually go and buy it and watch the Finale on Blu-ray. Not only was it made available much sooner than usual, it was available while enthusiasm for the Season was at a peak. As such, it was one of the best selling Seasons of 24, within the initial release period.)

The other reason is price or along with that, price elasticity. (Prices for digital goods often fluctuate wildly. Such that, people will pirate it now and then buy it (or something similar) when it is a later the price they are willing to pay.)

a third major reason, is being able to try before they buy. Implying that if they can't "try", they won't buy at all.

I don't think piracy is the core issue or even a core issue. Piracy has been around in various forms, for years. People used to record radio onto cassettes ALL THE TIME. It was the same mentality as now. I can make a copy of that one awesome song I like. Same with TV and VHS. Sure, you couldn't get perfect copies, as good as owning the actual casette, VHS, and early on, CDs. But for many people, that quality is good enough. I mean a tone of people nowadays, the best speakers they own to listen to music, is the stock stereo in their cars. Most of the time, they are listening to music on their phones, through crappy computer speakers, a boombox, etc. Piracy is not the main issue.

Many companies are starting to realize that piracy has been happening, will keep happening, and probably isn't the source of their problems. Some companies have tried to prevent piracy, only to make the legit product so obtuse to use/experience, that they see backlash from the customer base.

I think a bigger, more important issue right now, is the subscription model. The idea that, for a few dollars per month, you get access to thousands of (insert content here). But how does any money get made, when products are essentially being indirectly sold, for pennies? Netflix killed half the physical rental shops, before they ever went digital. Redbox basically equates to a Netflix. That killed more shops. Now with digital: My mom probably averages about 3 seasons worth of TV shows, per month, for $7 from Netflix digital. I'm sure plenty of people have Spotify running basically all day. For a few dollars per month. Netflix' physical disc service got so popular, that a couple of years ago, a few movie/TV conglomerates forced a restriction that didn't allow Netflix access to their new releases, until a month after release. A similar restriction now applies to their digital service.


These subscription services may not offer actual ownership and with digital, they don't even offer the full quality of a physical copy. But for many people, what's available is good enough. And the low price and ease of availability wins out.

Sony is trying to do the same thing with videogames. Livestreaming games, to several types of devices. The graphics are all processed on Sony's servers, you just use your tablet or TV or whatever, as a means to display the game and control the game. If they can work out the latency issues, it's going to kill the game industry. Just like Netflix and Spotify.

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on a related note: Steam, a digital videogame service, is a double whammy that passes along the dream of digital, to the consumer. Right now, for a lot of digital outlets, prices really aren't better than physical. or not much better, at least.

With Steam, Not only do they have centralized distribution, but they only offer digital goods. So there is no cost in physical transport, such as with Netflix disc service or Redbox. There are no physical hubs or outlets. there are no manufacturing/publishing costs for the goods. It's all digital copies. Centralized storage. Distributed on the back of public networks. The costs are just the server facility, the servers themselves, and the utilities (elecricity), etc. As such, Steam can offer UNPRECEDENTED discounts. and even brand new releases are often cheaper than other outlets. Steam does more bandwidth than most countries. Much like I'm sure Netflix does. People own more games than they could hope to ever play, due to insane pricing and multiple game bundles. Games will often net more money over a 1 or 2 week Steam sale, than they would have done in a whole year, at more standard pricing.
 
I'm not sure why Netflix is heralded and lauded so much....

There's really not much on there to choose from in recent movies.

many of the ones they do have are obscure renderings that
are pretty low grade...

Roku has lots of free movie channels.......but it's much the same fodder no matter which one you go to.

When my DVD store was open I could pretty much get a recent film without too much trouble.


Netflix should be changed to NoFlix
 
I buy my music, mostly CDs which get immediately ripped to iTunes and synced with the iPod. The main reasons I still do this is:
1. High-quality audio, and a permanent backup. One day the infrastructure will allow us to download CD-quality, uncompressed audio files. Until that day comes, it's CDs for me.
2. Lyrics and liner notes. I really dig reading the lyrics while listening to the tracks, and reading about who played on what tracks, who wrote them, who produced them, etc. Good stuff.

Yes, I download tracks now and then. Some free, but most are paid for.