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Double Bass Do you strife for validation

... some players really involved in that world were frustrated because that style of music isn't as popular as it once was. I don't know why they often seemed to be trumpet players. I can only speculate...

Funny you should mention trumpeters. One band I played in was led by the trumpeter. From time to time, especially on gigs, would abuse almost every member of the band. He never did me, though... I think he knew he wouldn't come out on the "winning" side of that confrontation.
 
More often than not, I don't enjoy playing in performance, and I'm glad when it's over;
Hi AG,

Aside from the enjoyable and often informative contributions I’ve read of yours here on TB, I don’t really know you, so I hope I’m not stepping into unwelcome territory here...

Particularly in these times when the very thing that brings so much happiness and joy into my life has, for all intents & purposes, disappeared, I found it so disheartening to see your comment about the lack of enjoyment you derive from making music. It also comes as somewhat of a surprise since it seems you post here with such frequency and so much knowledge and enthusiasm. Perhaps it’s really just an expression of your humble and selfless approach to playing and less of what it seems like on the surface.

Playing music is a gift...a gift we shouldn’t take for granted. Yes, a bit of a cliche but it hits home so strongly these days.

Again, I apologize if I’m out of line here. It just surprised the heck out of me to read that in a forum about learning, practicing, and playing music.

Cheers and best wishes,
Adam
 
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Funny you should mention trumpeters. One band I played in was led by the trumpeter. From time to time, especially on gigs, would abuse almost every member of the band. He never did me, though... I think he knew he wouldn't come out on the "winning" side of that confrontation.
In my limited experience with horn players I’ve witnessed several instances of drama with bands we played with regionally. I always felt so sorry for the ska bands. Most of their horn sections were just bitter they were playing lowly ska music to make a buck and that they were too good for it. I’ve had much more fun with a lone saxophonist or trombonist getting up to jam a few songs. Those guys are usually just happy to be jamming with someone; get them drunk and play Tequila or Yakety Yak and watch ‘em go!
 
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This has been a great thread. I just want to report that I played an outdoor gig last night- hot, smoky and really fun in spite of that. It's been one of the few I've played since March-all outdoors. It made me realize that we can enjoy playing music with good musicians and good people and the other stuff is irrelevant. I guess that's validation enough, at least for me.
 
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Hi AG,

Aside from the enjoyable and often informative contributions I’ve read of yours here on TB, I don’t really know you, so I hope I’m not stepping into unwelcome territory here...

Particularly in these times when the very thing that brings so much happiness and joy into my life has, for all intents & purposes, disappeared, I found it so disheartening to see your comment about the lack of enjoyment you derive from making music. It also comes as somewhat of a surprise since it seems you post here with such frequency and so much knowledge and enthusiasm. Perhaps it’s really just an expression of your humble and selfless approach to playing and less of what it seems like on the surface.

Playing music is a gift...a gift we shouldn’t take for granted. Yes, a bit of a cliche but it hits home so strongly these days.

Again, I apologize if I’m out of line here. It just surprised the heck out of me to read that in a forum about learning, practicing, and playing music.

Cheers and best wishes,
Adam

Adam, thanks for your post. It is not "unwelcome territory," so let me try to explain myself further.

I had a several-year career as a poorly-paid professional band performer back in the 1970s, playing bass and singing. Nobody read music, but we did have "ear arrangements." I have a pretty good ear. On those few occasions where I can get together with people and play stuff that doesn't particularly challenge, I enjoy myself... but I don't learn much.

Now, however, I see my greatest musical strength is as an arranger/composer. I am the Composer in Residence for my synagogue, and I also arrange for choirs, string quartets, recording artists - anybody who asks.

The "arranger mindset" is one of control: I write all the parts, and the players are supposed to play them.

Live ensemble performance is inherently subject to lack of control, despite obsessive planning. The power goes out; the room sucks; the trumpeter can't seem to play in tune; the bass part I had planned goes out of my head; I count in a tune too fast or too slow. Yes, I am professional enough to smile and charge ahead, and relaxed enough to stop and restart a song if someone's in the wrong key (!). But, despite all the compliments from listeners, I go over the uh-ohs in my head afterwards.

In a way, I'm happier rehearsing, when we're meant to make mistakes.

My attitude might indicate that my ego is too big, because I take the uh-ohs so to heart; on the other hand, it could be seen as a path to improvement. The fact that I spend so much time and energy on preparation signifies that performance is important to me... but the performance is often less than pure joy.
 
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I enjoy rehearsal far more than performance. At symphony rehearsal we take what we do seriously and perform for each other, but rehearsal time is just the right amount of relaxed to make it really enjoyable. We read straight thru pieces on the first rehearsal of a new set and the last rehearsal before the concert, only stopping if something really falls apart. Those are my favorite rehearsals. Usually we get 5 to 7 total rehearsals before a concert. In all the rehearsals I get to listen to the whole symphony, hear my bass fitting in, and be a part of something way bigger than anything I could ever do on my own. That is my favorite place to be. (and I really miss that right now:()
I don't mind the concerts. The audience applause is a nice energy feedback and it IS validating. But I enjoy rehearsals over concerts every time.
 
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