I've been walking my daughter's 100 pound dog every day and while he's wonderful with people, he hates male dogs. Whenever he sees one, he will try to get it. He pulled me off of my feet one day when I didn't see the other dog approaching and dragged me about two feet in the mud on my stomach. Someone suggested that I use a spiked collar on him. Will this cause any kind of an injury when he pulls?
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Does a spiked collar hurt a dog?
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The collar is to protect him against getting bitten by other dogs - which may happen if he attacks them. But if he does, you or your daughter may get sued. And if the other dog tries to bite back and gets hurt on a spiked collar, it will be worse.
The answer is to train the dog, not get a collar. My dog tends to act similar but he's only 20 pounds. We're working on him, because that behavior is not acceptable, and in a 100-pound dog, it's dangerous!
The answer is to train the dog, not get a collar. My dog tends to act similar but he's only 20 pounds. We're working on him, because that behavior is not acceptable, and in a 100-pound dog, it's dangerous!
Huh? The spikes are on the inside of the collar, not the outside. They are to "check" the dog as they try to pull away. And they are more like "prongs" not really spikes.
No other dog is in danger.
To the OP - no, it will not hurt your dog. It will just remind him to not pull so hard. He would have to pull VERY hard for it to truly hurt, and a 100 lb dog has some thick neck fat as protection too.
Wrong. If your dog tries to attack others, there is immediate danger...at least to the dogs.
Putting a collar on a dog with spikes pointing in, is in my opinion, cruelty to animals and should result in the animal being taken away from the owner. Of course it will hurt the dog!
I think the idea is absolutely inexcusable and unacceptable.
Train the dog.
(PS - I'm not an animal rights type, but I have no sympathy for those who fail to train animals and instead come up with ways to injure them when they don't behave in ways they have not been trained to behave. I believe owners carry primary responsibility.)
Putting a collar on a dog with spikes pointing in, is in my opinion, cruelty to animals and should result in the animal being taken away from the owner. Of course it will hurt the dog!
I think the idea is absolutely inexcusable and unacceptable.
Train the dog.
(PS - I'm not an animal rights type, but I have no sympathy for those who fail to train animals and instead come up with ways to injure them when they don't behave in ways they have not been trained to behave. I believe owners carry primary responsibility.)
You're probably referring to what's called a "pinch collar" or "prong collar"? (when I hear "spiked collar" I think of a punk rock accessory 
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Some vets/trainers recommend them; some do not. I haven't personally heard of any instances where a dog was seriously injured from wearing one. (Of course they hurt a little; they are meant to!)
It's important to remember the collar is a training tool to teach the dog not to pull. If you do not train/socialize the dog not to attack other dogs, then it is not safe/responsible to walk this dog in public IMHO. I understand this may be difficult since it is not your dog but if your daughter is asking you to walk the dog daily, then you need to have this conversation.
)Some vets/trainers recommend them; some do not. I haven't personally heard of any instances where a dog was seriously injured from wearing one. (Of course they hurt a little; they are meant to!)
It's important to remember the collar is a training tool to teach the dog not to pull. If you do not train/socialize the dog not to attack other dogs, then it is not safe/responsible to walk this dog in public IMHO. I understand this may be difficult since it is not your dog but if your daughter is asking you to walk the dog daily, then you need to have this conversation.
This indicates you think the spikes are on the outside.
And no, "prongs" on the inside of a collar are not cruel. They are NOT spikes, as the OP wrote.
So how exactly is there a danger to other dogs?
Hi.
A brat, some may have called him a prospect, but just a plain brat, laughed about how their new pup was trembling and scared when he had a shocking collar on to prevent him from barking when they were away.
He didn't laugh when we made him wear it.
I'm not particularily proud about that "lesson", but IMHO pain/torture needs to be experienced first hand if You intend to inflict it on others.
Just try the "training collar" as some call 'em on and make someone yank it really hard.
Then tell "it really doesn't hurt".
OP, train the damn dog, the lawsuit and/or injury to someone resulting the dog to be put down (when the correct target would be the owner) is right around the corner.
And scratch the collar and get a harness, any dog IMLE behaves way better in a harness than in a collar.
Regards
Sam
A brat, some may have called him a prospect, but just a plain brat, laughed about how their new pup was trembling and scared when he had a shocking collar on to prevent him from barking when they were away.
He didn't laugh when we made him wear it.
I'm not particularily proud about that "lesson", but IMHO pain/torture needs to be experienced first hand if You intend to inflict it on others.
Just try the "training collar" as some call 'em on and make someone yank it really hard.
Then tell "it really doesn't hurt".
OP, train the damn dog, the lawsuit and/or injury to someone resulting the dog to be put down (when the correct target would be the owner) is right around the corner.
And scratch the collar and get a harness, any dog IMLE behaves way better in a harness than in a collar.
Regards
Sam
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I have a big dog (80 lbs) who likes to chase squirrels on his walks. After a broken hand from this little fiasco, I started with a prong collar for his longer walks so he'd resist pulling. It definitely helped and there was never a situation where he had broken skin due to the prongs, however, every time he tugged against it in the beginning, my heart broke. After speaking with my veterinarian and the local obedience trainer, I switched to a "Gentle Leader" training collar. All nylon and no sharp edges. It's also referred to as a "head collar," and goes across the dog's head and muzzle. When he pulls, it applies pressure in an uncomfortable place on his nose, so he stops pulling. It definitely does the trick while you're working on training him to loose lead walk with you in an appropriate manner while he's out in public.
i think this about says it all...bear in mind that this person works for the Doberman Rescue group....
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for those who say "train the dog"...well, duh....what do you think the pinch collar IS doing...training the dog not to pull on the leash.
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for those who say "train the dog"...well, duh....what do you think the pinch collar IS doing...training the dog not to pull on the leash.
Like it or not, Sam, dogs understand pain and it can be an effective training tool. A well-fitted prong collar simulates the disciplinary nip that one dog would give another misbehaving dog. You are communicating with the dog in a language that it instinctively understands, the language of touch. The prong collar does not break the skin or cause permanent damage. The pinching sensation is certainly less painful than getting in a fight with another dog, or having to be put down.
As I mentioned above, it is a training tool, not a "magic bullet." Work with the prong collar in a calm, controlled environment at first. The last thing you want is to use it for the first time on a walk where your dog will encounter another male dog. Then you run the risk of your dog associating the pinching with the other dog, reinforcing the exact behavior that you are trying to prevent!
As I mentioned above, it is a training tool, not a "magic bullet." Work with the prong collar in a calm, controlled environment at first. The last thing you want is to use it for the first time on a walk where your dog will encounter another male dog. Then you run the risk of your dog associating the pinching with the other dog, reinforcing the exact behavior that you are trying to prevent!
i think this about says it all...bear in mind that this person works for the Doberman Rescue group....
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for those who say "train the dog"...well, duh....what do you think the pinch collar IS doing...training the dog not to pull on the leash.
Finally...reason arrives.
I got my dog a harness that hooks the leash on the front of his chest, when he would try to pull or lunge, he would just flip himself 180 because of where the leash was hooked. He pretty much got sick of spinning around, now he doesn't pull.
The dog I just got from a rescue had some serious aggression issues towards all other dogs. (she just went completely into kill mode at the sight of another dog within 10 feet of her) I did use a pronged collar as part of the training, since a regular training collar had zero effect on her.
But, just buying a pronged collar is not going to cure the problem. Your dog needs some serious socialzation training asap. If you do not know how to do it hire some one to help you.
My dog will now let other dogs take a bone out of her mouth in her own yard, so I know that training will work.
But, just buying a pronged collar is not going to cure the problem. Your dog needs some serious socialzation training asap. If you do not know how to do it hire some one to help you.
My dog will now let other dogs take a bone out of her mouth in her own yard, so I know that training will work.
Hi.
A brat, some may have called him a prospect, but just a plain brat, laughed about how their new pup was trembling and scared when he had a shocking collar on to prevent him from barking when they were away.
He didn't laugh when we made him wear it.
I'm not particularily proud about that "lesson", but IMHO pain/torture needs to be experienced first hand if You intend to inflict it on others.
Just try the "training collar" as some call 'em on and make someone yank it really hard.
Then tell "it really doesn't hurt".
OP, train the damn dog, the lawsuit and/or injury to someone resulting the dog to be put down (when the correct target would be the owner) is right around the corner.
And scratch the collar and get a harness, any dog IMLE behaves way better in a harness than in a collar.
Regards
Sam
While I don't disagree with your assessment of the electric collar (which is cruel), your suggestion that someone put on the training collar and have it be yanked isn't exactly fair, since the last time I checked, most dogs, especially big ones, have a lot of extra, loose skin around their neck to prevent them from being injured or killed if they get into a fight.
Training collars are part of the training of dogs. I used one with my dog when he was younger and prone to pulling, along with voice commands and a "nip" at his shoulder from one of my hands to show him who was in charge and where he ought to be when we went for walks. He's now grown and knows his place on a leash extraordinarily well. Now granted he's only about 30 pounds, but I got my lead on how to deal with pulling dogs from my next door neighbor who had a 110lb Rottweiler that used to pull from time to time.
Also, a harness is probably not a great idea if you're trying to get a dog to not pull, since it effectively removes any pain inflicted on the dog by trying to pull, thereby removing one of the primary negative reinforcements, which must be there in some form or fashion if you're going to train any animal, and they have to be there in a language which the dog understands. Some breeds (usually the smarter ones), respond much better to positive reinforcement, but if you instill in that dog that pulling away is going to hurt a little, whereas walking at your side and the right pace will be rewarded, either with praise or treats or something similar, it's going to stop doing the thing that hurts and doesn't earn it treats.
Some dogs get the point with a standard choke chain. Others need the pinch collar to break the habit.
With large dogs in particular, you have to be firm, socialize them and be consistent.
With large dogs in particular, you have to be firm, socialize them and be consistent.
These are all great responses. It the dog was mine, I would have had him trained but my daughter is just not responsible enough..which is why I walk him instead of her doing it.
A 100 pound dog can be dangerous so I'm trying to figure out something that can provide more control. Sometimes I'm wary of taking him out of the car if I see a lot of dogs. Besides being big, he's extremely strong and I never let him out of the car without the leash being attached and the handle twisted around my wrist.
When he's not around male dogs, he's a kind soul. The nicest dog that I've ever been around. His disposition is always sweet. When we are out walking, people always come up to us and ask if they can touch the dog. He always responds with a wagging tail and a gentle lick of his tongue. He comes up to my side of the bed when I'm sleeping and will gently wake me by touching my face with his mouth so that I can let him outside to do his business. He then returns and goes back to sleep.
A 100 pound dog can be dangerous so I'm trying to figure out something that can provide more control. Sometimes I'm wary of taking him out of the car if I see a lot of dogs. Besides being big, he's extremely strong and I never let him out of the car without the leash being attached and the handle twisted around my wrist.
When he's not around male dogs, he's a kind soul. The nicest dog that I've ever been around. His disposition is always sweet. When we are out walking, people always come up to us and ask if they can touch the dog. He always responds with a wagging tail and a gentle lick of his tongue. He comes up to my side of the bed when I'm sleeping and will gently wake me by touching my face with his mouth so that I can let him outside to do his business. He then returns and goes back to sleep.
young dogs pull, bully dogs pull
gentle lead - good for controlling the dog, not really teaching anything
choker -pretty effective just don't break your dog's windpipe
prong - never used, some ultra muscular pits don't respond to it
gentle lead - good for controlling the dog, not really teaching anything
choker -pretty effective just don't break your dog's windpipe
prong - never used, some ultra muscular pits don't respond to it
OP...
The word "spikes" is misleading. The correct word is "prong." A prong collar is what's needed. Pictured below...
This is actually better for the dog *&* the owner for 2 reasons ;
1) The pressure applied when pulling on the leash is uniformed throughout the whole neck as opposed to clotheslining the throat which is what a typical collar does. THAT is far worse!
2) The master has more control over the dog due to the better grip.
It also simulates the nip that dogs use on their pups when they do something wrong... hence why they work when used properly. By that, I don't mean a dragging motion but a swift pull that lasts 0.5 secs.
Nevertheless, you WILL need to train your dog. Most people don't know the following ;
You can do all kinds of training with your dog. For instance, I've taught mine to do the following...
He also gets plenty of much-needed exercise as he's about the fastest dog I've ever seen, easily able to stick with greyhounds running at full tilt. Because he's properly physically *&* mentally stimulated, he's the happiest dog in the world.
That didn't happen overnight. We needed to teach him how to heel properly and he has a defiant streak in him which didn't help matters. Since our dog is very aurally-centric, we used a combination of an air spray which emits a sound dogs hate to hear to correct him when he wasn't focusing and some body positioning exercises. There is playtime and work-time. Walks are work and the dog has to be taught this. He/she also has to understand that *you* lead. You will learn how to use your knees to block access and redirect your dog.
Go see a trainer. The trainer isn't so much for the dog as he is for dog owners. Most owners don't follow through and don't follow the directions to the letter once they get back home. That's the reason why some people are unsuccessful. But if you are steady in how you follow the directions and you enforce them constantly, you will do well and consequently enjoy taking your dog out for walks.
And he will be happier and love you all the more for it. Good luck!
The word "spikes" is misleading. The correct word is "prong." A prong collar is what's needed. Pictured below...
This is actually better for the dog *&* the owner for 2 reasons ;
1) The pressure applied when pulling on the leash is uniformed throughout the whole neck as opposed to clotheslining the throat which is what a typical collar does. THAT is far worse!
2) The master has more control over the dog due to the better grip.
It also simulates the nip that dogs use on their pups when they do something wrong... hence why they work when used properly. By that, I don't mean a dragging motion but a swift pull that lasts 0.5 secs.
Nevertheless, you WILL need to train your dog. Most people don't know the following ;
- Dogs need mental stimulation (i.e. tricks or jobs to do)
- Walking is not enough exercise for a dog ; they need running space!
- As silly as it sounds, training your dog will create a deeper bond.
- Your dog will be MUCH happier after being trained as they crave direction. Without it, they get restless and have nervous energy they need to expel (such as pulling on the leash).
You can do all kinds of training with your dog. For instance, I've taught mine to do the following...
- Leave the ball until I command him to get it.
- Sit & stay at the end of the park (about 80 meters) until I give him a hand signal and then it's a sprint run towards me.
- Walk up stairs one-by-one with a command.
- Go get his toys by name.
- And more...
He also gets plenty of much-needed exercise as he's about the fastest dog I've ever seen, easily able to stick with greyhounds running at full tilt. Because he's properly physically *&* mentally stimulated, he's the happiest dog in the world.
That didn't happen overnight. We needed to teach him how to heel properly and he has a defiant streak in him which didn't help matters. Since our dog is very aurally-centric, we used a combination of an air spray which emits a sound dogs hate to hear to correct him when he wasn't focusing and some body positioning exercises. There is playtime and work-time. Walks are work and the dog has to be taught this. He/she also has to understand that *you* lead. You will learn how to use your knees to block access and redirect your dog.
Go see a trainer. The trainer isn't so much for the dog as he is for dog owners. Most owners don't follow through and don't follow the directions to the letter once they get back home. That's the reason why some people are unsuccessful. But if you are steady in how you follow the directions and you enforce them constantly, you will do well and consequently enjoy taking your dog out for walks.
And he will be happier and love you all the more for it. Good luck!
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