This seems played out. Could someone direct me to the rap and bro country threads? I've got some fart comparisons on those genres I'd like to let out.
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Does anyone not enjoy Jaco?
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Hick hop is where it's at these days, only one thread needed.
Is Hick Hop rap and bro country combined? Well, I'll be....off to the interwebs to shake my head and look down on some music.
Had a couple of friends from my misspent youth who deep ended quite spectacularly. Justice system made that decision for me. Apart from the bit where I spent half my life moving on at the drop of a hat.
These days I pretty much stay away from challenging people. Long since learned I can't help them. Druggie mate stole my EB 3 a while back. People wanted me to beat him up. But if you use violence you got to go the whole hog. End of the day he's still a mate. Ain't like I'll ever see him again.
I'm nobody's Jim Carroll, but I lost a few along the way. Might be cold, but the first friend died of natural causes was kinda like a milestone.
Been around since long before rap. Hot Rod Lincoln, Boy named Sue, the one about the psychobilly Caddy. Easy think of more. Convoy. C W McCall.
I grew up on that stuff. Never once heard the term Hick Hop tossed around until a few years ago. But I've been oblivious before.
Hardly surprising they weren't calling it a jokey derivative name from a style that didn't exist back then. Just saying when country and rap crossed over, it wasn't so far to jump.I grew up on that stuff. Never once heard the term Hick Hop tossed around until a few years ago. But I've been oblivious before.
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WHAT is not to enjoy???
(Did I miss something coming in late?? Did not read entire thread)
I agree, but threads like this one did not help either
15 Jazz Albums for People Not Sure They Like Jazz
These 15 jazz albums for people not sure they like jazz provide a gateway to a style or artist – an invitation to enter and hopefully emerge wanting more.
www.popmatters.com
You know there used to be quite a few plectrum bassists in the pop music industry and I think Jaco kind of showed up "fingers only" and his speed and articulation surprised some people.
I played Orchestra Bass in school so I was already used to fingers only... to this day I rarely use a plec, but if the songs tonality requires it, I will use one.
I played Orchestra Bass in school so I was already used to fingers only... to this day I rarely use a plec, but if the songs tonality requires it, I will use one.
Sure you're right.
Might as well post a "unilateral" thread titled:
"Who doesn't enjoy (Fill in the Blank)."
Talk about stirring the pot...
Threads like this turn me off from this site. Let’s bash Louis Armstrong next, perhaps we’ll do Beethoven after that.
What’s interesting about the Jaco phenomenon is that he came out of nowhere, on an underused version of electric bass*, and with a wholly new and fresh technique which was very dependent on the tone that he chose(as a result of his equipment)and an active, almost manic style that demonstrated to fullest extent that said style. Then you had legions of players rushing to copy that style, often switching to fretless for the first time to chase after it. As I heard it, the “Jaco” sound became the standard, just like the Clapton style of watered down blues licks became the cliche default for scores of rock guitarists. So, are the naysayers going to bash on all the followers as well?
As for myself, I heard Percy Jones on an Eno album months before I heard Jaco, with an entirely different approach. Then came Bright Sized Life, where Jaco was kind of held in check as he was in a support role. But it was still obvious that his playing was revolutionary on its own merits. Quite frankly, I enjoyed the music from earlier Weather Report more, and while it was great that Jaco joined, and they got a radio hit, I had less interest in what they did as an ensemble as a whole as time went on. Not because Jaco was overplaying or whatever. His post WR solo stuff I didn’t pay that much attention to, only because I was over that type of music in general, not because of him or his playing.
One thing I always wondered about, since so many grouse about his ‘tone’, is that since he preferred Acoustic 360 amps, which were all boom and lesser definition due to the folded horn, did he overemphasize the bridge pickup for clarity(not to mention that he played so fast)? When he recorded, did he go direct(which wasn’t necessarily a widely used technique in the 70’s), or was his 360 cab mic’d?
*There were players like Bill Wyman, Rick Danko, and Boz Burrell using fretless before Jaco, but not in any way that you could necessarily tell the difference from fretted in any pronounced manner. Sure, there where slides and similar things, but nothing that I heard at least to make me go “whoa, what was that?”. Maybe what Alphonso Johnson was doing on “Cucumber Slumber”, was that fretless? I didn’t think about it too much back then.
As for myself, I heard Percy Jones on an Eno album months before I heard Jaco, with an entirely different approach. Then came Bright Sized Life, where Jaco was kind of held in check as he was in a support role. But it was still obvious that his playing was revolutionary on its own merits. Quite frankly, I enjoyed the music from earlier Weather Report more, and while it was great that Jaco joined, and they got a radio hit, I had less interest in what they did as an ensemble as a whole as time went on. Not because Jaco was overplaying or whatever. His post WR solo stuff I didn’t pay that much attention to, only because I was over that type of music in general, not because of him or his playing.
One thing I always wondered about, since so many grouse about his ‘tone’, is that since he preferred Acoustic 360 amps, which were all boom and lesser definition due to the folded horn, did he overemphasize the bridge pickup for clarity(not to mention that he played so fast)? When he recorded, did he go direct(which wasn’t necessarily a widely used technique in the 70’s), or was his 360 cab mic’d?
*There were players like Bill Wyman, Rick Danko, and Boz Burrell using fretless before Jaco, but not in any way that you could necessarily tell the difference from fretted in any pronounced manner. Sure, there where slides and similar things, but nothing that I heard at least to make me go “whoa, what was that?”. Maybe what Alphonso Johnson was doing on “Cucumber Slumber”, was that fretless? I didn’t think about it too much back then.
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His first solo album sounds direct to me, I don't hear his Acoustic tone on that album. Same with his work with Joni, I dont hear the amp. My earliest fretless hero's were Alphonso Johnson and Freebo, both before I heard Jaco.
I don’t know, to me Donna Lee sounds exactly like standing in front of an Acoustic 360/361 set up playing not loud but just enough to mic the top opening of the cabinet. I stood in front of one for years. It sounds exactly like that. It’s not turned up loud so that maybe throwing you off.
BTW, I defretted my P Bass of Doom because of Alphonso, long before Jaco hit the scene.
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I don’t know, to me Donna Lee sounds exactly like standing next to an Acoustic 360/361 set up playing not loud but just enough to mic the top opening of the cabinet. I stood in front of one for years. It sounds exactly like that. It’s not turned up loud so that maybe throwing you off.
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Could be, he was quite devoted to that amp, carrying it on trains and stuff. That pic with his amp in the studio is about the same 1975 time frame of his first album. Whatever it was, I still dig the tone on Donna Lee and the rest of that album.
I was trying to find the article but it had been written that he used the Acoustic in the studio for his first album because he felt at that time it was intrigral to his sound. A close mic’d amp can sound almost DI sounding if it’s running clean.
That kinda hollow sounding upper midrange is from the mic’d cabinet plus the used of the Variamp mid control.
I think that photo I posted is from his first album recording session. Here is Herbie who appeared on his first album.
Jaco Pastorius, recording his first album in 1975. Courtesy Legacy Recordings, Slang East/West LLC
I could be wrong but, I am willing to except that!
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Me too!
True story:
When I 1st joined this site. I kept hearing bout Jaco, so I went and googled him. THIS "Jaco Shreds" Is the 1st video I listened to. I'm thinkin.. this isnt good at all. (took me a hot minute to realize it was a "shreds" video.).
Now i go back and watch it, at least once a year.. and it's STILL hilarious every time. (not sure if thats the vid itself, or the fact that I thought it was legit at 1st.)
Still hilarious though.
T$
