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Does anyone not enjoy Jaco?
- Thread starter TristanFunky
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Brilliant post. Thank you for that.
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Like many artists/musicians/performers, I respect his talent but don't find his stuff is for me.
It should be as easy as that.
It should be as easy as that.
It's totally that easy.
Where the ummmm "nonsense" begins is when his (or anyone's playing for that matter) is ridiculed as being 'fart-noodling".
That sets those who respect the players output OFF, as maybe it should. Or not. I personally have opinions on many bassists and their music, but I could not care less about who else likes/dislikes what.
I wouldn't post a thread though, seeking a referendum, "baiting" those who can't handle Mr. Pastorius on bass, for whatever ridiculous reasons!!
JK JK- They're entitled!!
Holy goodness, a poop storm started, to start a thread on TB you either make fun of classic rock, challenge someones opinons or say something on Jaco LOL.
Kidding aside and ot not be toxic like some users, I do enjoy his music, it took me a bit but some of his more rhythm driven songs were caught me.
However I struggle to separate artist from the music sadly, maybe it is just part of my GAD but knowing Jaco started bar fights for fun and was causing trouble makes me struggle to enjoy him at times. He was suffering though from addiction so I feel awful about that maybe he didn't truly mean it.
Either way, like some of his songs, not too into showy solo playing but he inspire millions, sad ending to his life and inappropriate behaviour.
Kidding aside and ot not be toxic like some users, I do enjoy his music, it took me a bit but some of his more rhythm driven songs were caught me.
However I struggle to separate artist from the music sadly, maybe it is just part of my GAD but knowing Jaco started bar fights for fun and was causing trouble makes me struggle to enjoy him at times. He was suffering though from addiction so I feel awful about that maybe he didn't truly mean it.
Either way, like some of his songs, not too into showy solo playing but he inspire millions, sad ending to his life and inappropriate behaviour.
I feel like there has been such an uptick in aggressive and toxic behaviour since the update so feeling like a 2005 forum all over again for sure.
Jaco was in mental distress, he wasn't starting bar fights for fun, sometimes people commit suicide without actually doing it themselves. If Jaco died young in a car crash like Scott LaFaro before his mental illness took over, we would be having a different discussion in my opinion.
Well unless you have unshakeable self belief, you'll likely struggle to rise above everyone else in the popular imagination. On top of that, how can art from a perfect world be anything but rainbows and unicorns? Humbly suggest that art is the transcendence of flaws, not the lack of them. If I want my art to be produced by immaculate human beings I should probably start by lifting my own game.
Other side of that coin is I can find something of value in most artistic endeavours. If we are calling Lemmy the antiJaco, fine. But he played a big part in the superseding of the screaming symphony that was metal when it still needed the heavy prefix. I've mentioned elsewhere Hendrix's often overlooked pioneering of soundscaping as its own artform. Don't even get me started on dub and dancehall being the grandparents of all the music after rock.
Basically, you can find fault with any art. Or you can look for the good bits. And enjoy it for those reasons.
I don't know what if any treatment or meds are available today that weren't in use during Jaco's lifetime.
I do know that he was mentally ill, I'm not a shrink so I don't know if it was Bi-polar, schizophrenia, or whatever, but he had mental issues.
That can be the case sadly w/ some artists, scholars, etc with an extremely high IQ, and no doubt Jaco had intelligence off the charts.
His demise-being pummeled to death by a Bouncer is quite a sad ending.
I mentioned earlier I saw him live w/ Weather Report a long time ago in LA. I thought he was over-active, even hyper; I think some of WR's music called for that, but, Man, he was prowling that small stage!
At the time, I didn't really understand the scope of Weather Report or Jaco; I was a teenager.
Since then- I've learned a lot and what they did resonates with me quite differently now.
P.S. This thread, started by a now remorseful OP, doesn't HAVE to be a S***storm;
If you don't dig Pastorius, just say so w/out calling him a "fart-noodler"!
I do know that he was mentally ill, I'm not a shrink so I don't know if it was Bi-polar, schizophrenia, or whatever, but he had mental issues.
That can be the case sadly w/ some artists, scholars, etc with an extremely high IQ, and no doubt Jaco had intelligence off the charts.
His demise-being pummeled to death by a Bouncer is quite a sad ending.
I mentioned earlier I saw him live w/ Weather Report a long time ago in LA. I thought he was over-active, even hyper; I think some of WR's music called for that, but, Man, he was prowling that small stage!
At the time, I didn't really understand the scope of Weather Report or Jaco; I was a teenager.
Since then- I've learned a lot and what they did resonates with me quite differently now.
P.S. This thread, started by a now remorseful OP, doesn't HAVE to be a S***storm;
If you don't dig Pastorius, just say so w/out calling him a "fart-noodler"!
I've heard quite a few players that meet that description; Jaco Pastorius at least to my ears, does not fall into that category however. Just my .02.
You know, a lot of these responses say they can only listen in small doses. I feel like it's hard to really "get" Jaco if you don't do the full deep dive. If some people aren't willing to do that I understand and respect that.
Sorry if I misunderstand what you mean in your first sentence but if I am understanding right, drugs for sure were around at that time, hence the reason many mental health facilities shrunk or were abandoned as we see so many left. However those early drugs were used inappropriately like Thorazine and many who did need some form of group home living were abandoned and took street drugs to deal with mental illness. However you we have way better SSRI and also mixing with therapy is key, but some people who struggle with addiction and bipolar actually have reverse effects with some SSRIs. I am sure you know but they use to be given out way more casually in the 90s sadly.I don't know what if any treatment or meds are available today that weren't in use during Jaco's lifetime.
I do know that he was mentally ill, I'm not a shrink so I don't know if it was Bi-polar, schizophrenia, or whatever, but he had mental issues.
That can be the case sadly w/ some artists, scholars, etc with an extremely high IQ, and no doubt Jaco had intelligence off the charts.
His demise-being pummeled to death by a Bouncer is quite a sad ending.
I mentioned earlier I saw him live w/ Weather Report a long time ago in LA. I thought he was over-active, even hyper; I think some of WR's music called for that, but, Man, he was prowling that small stage!
At the time, I didn't really understand the scope of Weather Report or Jaco; I was a teenager.
Since then- I've learned a lot and what they did resonates with me quite differently now.
P.S. This thread, started by a now remorseful OP, doesn't HAVE to be a S***storm;
If you don't dig Pastorius, just say so w/out calling him a "fart-noodler"!
I am not a mental health expert or doctor by any means, but am a huge advocate for mental health and sadly it is a huge problem we see only more and more with the internet and stuff. It is sad to think Jaco would of for sure benefits from some modern treatment but again I am by no means here to judge just give my opinion and view.
No matter what a sad situation for sure.
Yeah but people used to go off their meds then for the same reasons they go off them today. Because they're physically and psychotropically unpleasant to be on.
But try telling that to an accountant for a large healthcare organisation.
I'm sure psychtropic drugs were around when Jaco was in decline. Reviewing some details, I understand that the meds offered to Jaco were not taken as prescribed because he felt they adversely effected his playing.
IDK the diagnosis of JP's condition, or how he was treated (if at all) or who treated him.
I have some sad experiences-musically, professionally, and as a friend-with someone plagued by mental illness. In my case a Guitarist.
Without a doubt one of the most brilliant, creative players I've had the pleasure of working with. He was also an unbelievably talented Artist- (Painter that is).
He not only tanked a lot of opportunities musically, but also lost many opportunities to display and sell his work at Galleries because he was prone to outbursts, and that does not sit well with Modern/Fine art Dealers ('Cept if it were Van Gogh I guess.) or Music Contractors, Producers, Booking Agents, or Band Leaders.
Sadly he passed (not from a beat-down) but from other medical complications-His Wife felt that some of the meds he was supposed to take effected his health.
It's a very sad thing, exacerbated when someone is gifted with an inordinate amount of talent.
Jaco's story is a real tragedy and a sad loss; he left us way too early.
And that's whether one digs his playing or not.
Used to play with some guys for a while. Apparently used to bust their ex second guitarist out of a mental institution when they had gigs. Lovely bloke. Never saw him acting out. Lot of dynamic from before my time.
The saddest thing IME was that there was NOTHING I could do to help him, other than being a good friend. And that was not easy, because he went off on me too!
I took higher ground, and realized it would be the same thing as rejecting someone if they had cancer or another disease, 'cause that;s what Mental Illness is-a disease with treatments that are not absolute.
I miss Steve (his name) and always remember the highs of his music, rather than remembering the times he fell into the "Dark Zone".
These days; this World, It's hard enough t be stable without being plagued with a personality disorder.
Some of Björk's tracks have some very farty synth bass, Wanderlust is a good one.
