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Does EBMM Darkray worth it ?

Would you get one ?


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TOTAL GIMMICK - WASTE OF MONEY - AND YOU CAN’T HAVE MINE - wait a minute…

All joking aside, the bass rocks. I’m a fickle distortionist (perhaps the second most common trait shared by all TB’ers), and to be honest, this gassy issue has only resulted in me selling a bunch of basses, amps, and pedals that I should’ve held on to… However, it feels/sounds to me like the integration of the Alpha and Omega modes in the Darkray’s pre are natural extensions of the tonal pallet of the instrument. Like you can turn the gain and blend knobs to almost any position and get a tone that might be alright for something. Sweet spots haven’t been hard to come by, especially considering the low and high band boost/cuts that are intuitive and always available to play with. I’ve had far less luck with every Darkglass pedal I’ve owned, so this was a welcome surprise (no shade thrown at Darkglass or its MANY customers - perhaps it was more my setup that dictated how they worked, or didn’t, for me).

In my opinion, the clean mode does leave something to be desired, but that is because I’d like the ability to adjust the mids. The tone is stellar overall, but it’s not an exact copy of that familiar tone you’d expect from an older Ray. If that’s what you’re going for, there may be better options out there.

The main takeaway for me is that the three modes all have their own unique frequency profiles. Even with the gain set on the lower side and the signal blended mostly clean, both dirt ‘channels’ have a distinct timbral difference from their clean counterpart. While this is easily achievable with just a few taps of your feet (if you got the right board), it feels like something different is going on here, and it’s both pleasing and usable. There are still tons of OD’s, distortions, and fuzzes that I would like to own, and I would not hesitate to try inserting them into the chain downstream from the Darkray (of course accounting for the fact that loads of basses with active preamps may not play nice with every dirt pedal).

At least for the way I’ve been sculpting my tone with this bass, having three cool starting points and fine tuning of gain and blend pots within a few inches of where my right hand resides is not a gimmick, but rather a twist on the philosophy of onboard preamps. Not better or worse, but it’s an intriguing concept. Without a doubt, it’s not for everyone, and it’s definitely not the most cost effective way to get to this destination, but my hands and ears seem pretty darn happy.

The build quality of the bass is what I would expect - like real humans put a lot of effort into the creation of this instrument. Considering the current world we’re living in, I’m disappointed but not surprised by the overly-inflated price tag for a hyped collab bass that has a made-in-California seal on the headstock. As with the other Stingrays of a similar caliber that I’ve played, the neck is to die for. Also, the preamp is almost dead silent with the treble band dimed, and I certainly haven’t found that to be the case with every active bass.

Anyway, I hope this info helps!


When playing the Darkray at the music store, I have also been surprised how different the feel is when using the on-board effects vs. pedals having a blend knob or vs. blending channels through my Wounded Paw Loop Blender. I do not know what is going on there with the Darkray but there is something different that is sure thing. IMHO.

My pedal board is loaded of OD and fuzz with a clean channel in parrallel using the Blender or using directly the blend knob on pedals (i.e. Malekko Bassmaster, Damnation Audio MBD-1, Smallsound/Bigsound TAFM & Mini, Wren&Cuff TFR & PPB, Way Huge Pork&Pickle, etc.). However, I have never been satisfied with my tone when using dirt pedals in the mix with the band (playing heavy metal and heavy rock from the 80-90’s). I would be reselling all these pedals if the Darkray can give me the perfect dirt tone without loosing the low-end or without feeling that both the clean and dirt channels sounded apart. My long journey in the search for OD and fuzz have learned me that blending the clean with effects is an art that not everyone has been successful with. YMMV.
 
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Almost bought an active commerford short scale as new on reverb for list price. Then I realized I could get one of their passive shorties and throw in a preamp for almost half that price. Then I gave up on the idea altogether.
 
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Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this innovative but although intriguing product.

From the pool numbers there is 1 person out of 5 that would get one. Are we 20% of bassman who play with Darkglass products that think awesome to have it on-board the bass ?

Would love to hear other users of DG effects about it !
 
I am looking to get a Darkray. What do you think on this product ? Is it more on the gimmick side ? Does the on-board integration with the blend is better than using a pedal (no phase shift, for example) ? How it cuts in the mix ? Does anyone have tried it in a live gig ? Thanks for sharing your thoughts and for participating to the pool !
for that price get a fujigen dark jazz and a darkglass pedal. Although I haven't tried the fujigen it seems like it was built for that darkglass kinda sound.
 
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The new custom bass of VoiVoid’s bassman Rocky is loaded with an on-board distorsion and a « special » bass EQ :

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Are we still saying that having on-board dirt effects in a bass guitar is a gimmick? Should we consider that as the « next » evolution of effects on bass ?

I know guys from Voivoid in Montreal. These guys rock solid. I don’t think they find the new custom guitar of their bassman a gimmick !

What do you think TBers ?

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The new custom bass of VoiVoid’s bassman Rocky is loaded with an on-board distorsion and a « special » bass EQ :

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Are we still saying that having on-board dirt effects in a bass guitar is a gimmick? Should we consider that as the « next » evolution of effects on bass ?

I know guys from Voivoid in Montreal. These guys rock solid. I don’t think they find the new custom guitar of their bassman a gimmick !

What do you think TBers ?

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Post pics when you can, thanks.
Cant see the video.
 
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