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Does EBMM Darkray worth it ?

Would you get one ?


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I am looking to get a Darkray. What do you think on this product ? Is it more on the gimmick side ? Does the on-board integration with the blend is better than using a pedal (no phase shift, for example) ? How it cuts in the mix ? Does anyone have tried it in a live gig ? Thanks for sharing your thoughts and for participating to the pool !
 
Different strokes for different strokes. Hey, that’s a song….(seriously, look it up….:D)

My personal feelings on overdrive, we worked ourselves silly and spent boatloads of money getting a clean, clear, LOUD bass tone. And now, folks are expending about that much effort for overdrive (read: “distortion”)?

As I said above…..
 
I have been tempted to buy one even though the chances of me needing Distortion/Fuzz circuit in any band I might play with is slim and none. Sure I might find a song or 2 that I can sneak in subtle EFX:)

But it would be great for entertaining myself at home playing and recording.

I don't see it as 'just a gimmick' could work great in Cover or Original Band were Distortion effects are used often.

I am still waiting for a Bass with mini-tube active preamp:)
 
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I am looking to get a Darkray. What do you think on this product ? Is it more on the gimmick side ? Does the on-board integration with the blend is better than using a pedal (no phase shift, for example) ? How it cuts in the mix ? Does anyone have tried it in a live gig ? Thanks for sharing your thoughts and for participating to the pool !

Seems gimmicky to me, especially considering the price.
 
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Hey, no current experience with one but I would like to give it a try. I’m not so sure I would like it for me personally, as I like to have my Diamond bass comp and Sadowsky preamp pedal always on, which feeds into my Darkglass microtubes 900 that always has the Vintage Microtubes blended into the clean signal. So that being said it may not work me, I like the sound I just like stuff between it and my bass
 
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I like the idea of the bass. And the construction and components look rock solid and super professional. But there are two things stopping me (well, three if you count the price)

1) I love the way Stingrays sound... when other people play them. Never been able to get one to sound good in my hands, for whatever reason.

2) I don't like the idea of being stuck with a Darkglass dirt circuit onboard. Darkglass stuff sounds good in some contexts, but a lot of the time I just don't care for it. I'd rather have the flexibility of outboard pedals at this point.

Those are very personal reasons, which likely don't apply to you if you're really itching to get one. So I guess all I've got left is

3) they're bloody expensive!
 
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TOTAL GIMMICK - WASTE OF MONEY - AND YOU CAN’T HAVE MINE - wait a minute…

All joking aside, the bass rocks. I’m a fickle distortionist (perhaps the second most common trait shared by all TB’ers), and to be honest, this gassy issue has only resulted in me selling a bunch of basses, amps, and pedals that I should’ve held on to… However, it feels/sounds to me like the integration of the Alpha and Omega modes in the Darkray’s pre are natural extensions of the tonal pallet of the instrument. Like you can turn the gain and blend knobs to almost any position and get a tone that might be alright for something. Sweet spots haven’t been hard to come by, especially considering the low and high band boost/cuts that are intuitive and always available to play with. I’ve had far less luck with every Darkglass pedal I’ve owned, so this was a welcome surprise (no shade thrown at Darkglass or its MANY customers - perhaps it was more my setup that dictated how they worked, or didn’t, for me).

In my opinion, the clean mode does leave something to be desired, but that is because I’d like the ability to adjust the mids. The tone is stellar overall, but it’s not an exact copy of that familiar tone you’d expect from an older Ray. If that’s what you’re going for, there may be better options out there.

The main takeaway for me is that the three modes all have their own unique frequency profiles. Even with the gain set on the lower side and the signal blended mostly clean, both dirt ‘channels’ have a distinct timbral difference from their clean counterpart. While this is easily achievable with just a few taps of your feet (if you got the right board), it feels like something different is going on here, and it’s both pleasing and usable. There are still tons of OD’s, distortions, and fuzzes that I would like to own, and I would not hesitate to try inserting them into the chain downstream from the Darkray (of course accounting for the fact that loads of basses with active preamps may not play nice with every dirt pedal).

At least for the way I’ve been sculpting my tone with this bass, having three cool starting points and fine tuning of gain and blend pots within a few inches of where my right hand resides is not a gimmick, but rather a twist on the philosophy of onboard preamps. Not better or worse, but it’s an intriguing concept. Without a doubt, it’s not for everyone, and it’s definitely not the most cost effective way to get to this destination, but my hands and ears seem pretty darn happy.

The build quality of the bass is what I would expect - like real humans put a lot of effort into the creation of this instrument. Considering the current world we’re living in, I’m disappointed but not surprised by the overly-inflated price tag for a hyped collab bass that has a made-in-California seal on the headstock. As with the other Stingrays of a similar caliber that I’ve played, the neck is to die for. Also, the preamp is almost dead silent with the treble band dimed, and I certainly haven’t found that to be the case with every active bass.

Anyway, I hope this info helps!
 
I have a darkray..

The music I play doesn't really require overdrive or distortion, but I just like having the bass. The OD/Distortion sounds great, is not gimmicky, and should get into a situation where I'd want to use that type of effect, I like that I don't have to drag a pedal, pedal board and power supply out with me.

If you use OD/Distortion and like stingrays than this is a no-brainer.
 
I would probably look at this from the side of just bass itself - i.e is the bass good for me, do I like the finish, the fit, the feel, the sound - and treat the distortion part of it as an added bonus.
That way your perception is not skewed by the "gimmick".

In any case, you could literally mod every single bass to have the same built in effect if you are handy with electronics, so again - bass first, this thing later.

IMHO. YMMV. :)
 
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