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Does the name on the headstock really matter?

Nov 22, 2008
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Does the name on the headstock matter? A rhetorical question and here is one good reason why it may.

When a player cannot blame the instrument, the tend to work harder to get to get the results they want, it cannot be the basses fault so it must be theirs mentality. But when say a cheaper model is being used then there is an excuse, a bail out for them not doing as well, or not sounding the way they believe they should ( amps and cabs come in to this as well ).

To my ears and my experience ( which is extensive, nearly 40 years) today's modern instruments in terms do build and quality are as good, if not better than in my day. The range of fantastic copies and budget basses never ceases to amaze me that students bring in and I encounter in my work.*

I have 1983 Squier JV 57 Precision, that played and sounded as good as a 57 precision ( sad to say all original electrics were lost in a fire it was in). *It always amazes me when it gets played how many people think it is great because they believe it to be an actual Fender 57 rather than the Squier 83 JV. Due to headstock damage from cigarettes burn it, the decal looks like it did read Fender because of damage to the Squi part and the er being good, it does look like it said fender on there to the un-trained eye.
With the different basses that are brought in and used, students and players seem to aspire to having a bass like it because when theory it.....it seems to be what they need to be a better, or even a complete player.

So I have come to a conclusion from what I have experienced with students ( *i indeed suffered it as well in my youth) that indeed the name on the bass will help make a player better, just because there is no longer an excuse to be had for not moving forward or improving. With the instrument of their choice they will work harder and with more purpose than they would do, as they see it, with an inferior bass (amps and cabs will play apart in this thinking as well), simply because there are now no real excuses to be had.
I believe a player will learn better and improve if they have the bass of their choice because they are psychologically content it must be them....not the instrument. Now the one difference between this and my situation when I was younger was I was a pro player, so I worked harder to be able to get a better instrument and better gear. Only later and after the old was gone, as many older players will have done, did I realise that what I had was good enough if not better suited to what I changed it for...or is that just another trick of the mind as in looking back through rose tinted glasses.

Anyone care to comment, or share stories to help paint a broader picture of this phenomenon?

For example, at a recent clinic one of the guitar instructors had an 80s G&L Strat to which a one of the many school kids there held up his brand new Fender Strat *and exclaimed to him "what's the problem.......couldn't afford a real one". Needless to say the next few minutes were so funny as he played the G&L, dismissed it, then to be told that the L in G&L stood for Leo as in Leo Fender, and there was every chance that Leo had actually handled this guitar......something impossible ever to have happened to his brand new one......priceless .
 
Those early Squiers can be argued to be BETTER than the Fender basses that were being put out at the time. You have a gem.

That being said the name on the headstock to me is sound, warranty, and resale value. I usually know what I am getting into. I don't really care if some cork sniffer tone snob likes my bass.
 
For example, at a recent clinic one of the guitar instructors had an 80s G&L Strat to which a one of the many school kids there held up his brand new Fender Strat *and exclaimed to him "what's the problem.......couldn't afford a real one". Needless to say the next few minutes were so funny as he played the G&L, dismissed it, then to be told that the L in G&L stood for Leo as in Leo Fender, and there was every chance that Leo had actually handled this guitar......something impossible ever to have happened to his brand new one......priceless .

His face must have been priceless.

Also,to add something useful for the thread,i've been playing for only 8 months and i own a beginner bass(yamaha rbx170),even though it has a good sound i really felt like i did better than usual when i played on a nice ibanez i'm looking to buy... it depends on the player i guess
 
The logo on the headstock DOES matter to me only because my only basses are from Chris Stambaugh and Alan Cringean and I like that I advertise for two great builders.

But your point is about sound vs gear snobbery and given your examples I agree.

Where that argument falls apart is when you talk about basses for which there AREN'T a low budget substitute. A Rob Allen Mouse is a unique tone and nothing really sounds like a Wal but a Wal.

Sure, it's a poor carpenter that blames his tools but there is definitely something to be said for playing better on an instrument that fits you properly both in terms of ergonomics and tone.
To me, boutique basses aren't about gear snobbery but about getting the tone and playability that I want. If I could get what I wanted for a lower price from a mass produced bass I would but I can't.
 
This thread reminds me of two experiences:

- On a few occasions I've had narrow-minded producers and music directors tell me I had to bring "a real Fender" bass when I showed up to a gig with a headless futuristic Steinberger bass. Those same people didn't bat an eye when I showed up with either a swanky custom bass or a cheap offshore POS, both of which just happened to look exactly like a Fender bass, except for the (non-Fender) name on their headstock! Roy Voight recently said in another thread, "Some people listen with their eyes." ...but apparently they don't listen that closely with their eyes! Either that or they can't read.

- I've stopped bringing my expensive basses when I teach lessons or when I take lessons. Too many folks seem to jump to conclusions and form pre-conceived expectations about you as a player based on how much money you spent on your bass...unless you're playing a Fender, and then they don't seem to notice at all. Weird.
 
I Hate to admit that I'm a bit insecure. Yes it does.
When I'm playing with new folks and want to make a good first impression I bring my MIA Jazz bass. If they like me and we continue on I feel more comfortable to bring whatever. I do realize though that there are some really nice inexpensive basses out there and am not the kind of person that would chump somebody out about what they play.:hmm:
 
----the fender/squier argument [wishbass et al not included]
I'm old enough to remember a time when .....
/geezer rant

If I had internet when I was a kid ,it's likely i never would have learned to play .
We're very lucky as players ,now that CNC machines can cut
neck pockets perfectly and put a SQUIER 60's classic vibe jazz in my hands cheaply and make me feel at home and sound so good.
Maybe I'm just a victim of my own nostalgia .
IMO , people who poo-poo instruments before they hear them are a forgone conclusion , that I will never have to hear play or ask me for a "tuner" .
 
I think a good way to answer this is yes and no. No, it doesn't matter as long as the tone is pleasing to you and it plays well. Also, if you got the chops then what brand you play matters even less. Yes, the name matters if you plan on possibly selling the bass someday, you want a good warranty in case something goes wrong, and you want to be able to trust the build quality. Sure, Squire is coming out with some decent stuff, and other low-end brands have decent guitars and basses, but I feel like you are more likely to get a turd from said companies than if you went with one that has a better reputation. How many people have ever said, "I just bought a Warwick and it sucked!" in regards to the fit and finish, not their personal preference? I personally play a Schecter, and I love everything about it. I saw a guy on Craigslist describe Schecter as a K-Mart brand that wasn't worth anything and is only played by beginners. I'm certainly no bass god, but I'm not a beginner in the least. If someone wants bash my bass (verbally, not literally) based on the name alone, they are welcome to do so because I know that it plays and sounds awesome in my opinion.
 
"Does the name on the headstock really matter?"
Should it? Or does it? They're two VERY different questions.


FWIW, My instructor has some really expensive basses and some really inexpensive ones. He sounds damn good on all of them. He sounds damn good on all of mine, too. I, unfortunately, sound like me on all of mine. And on all of his. :( :p

IOW, in both cases, the name on the headstocks makes no difference in how either of us sound. Too bad there are an awful lot of people who listen with their eyes.