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does this bother anybody else?

i spend a week learning difficult songs (always originals no less so its not like i can correct them on the tuning) and building the muscle memory for those songs. then i show up to the audition and everything is thrown off for me.

Sorry, I'm just trying to clarify for myself. When you are saying you are "thrown off," do you mean you were playing the wrong notes because you learned the part from a tablature and were playing the wrong notes because of your tuning? Or do you mean that you were just annoyed because this tuning made learning the part more difficult because of the band's incorrect description of their tuning?

I think that your claim of being "thrown off" by the way the guitarists tuned is where some of the confusion comes from in this thread - whether you were off musically or just annoyed mentally?
 
That is a lot of intensity there and it has helped me to understand where you are coming from. As I now see it, some people believe that every idea that pops into their head is like a diamond, a precious and unique object formed by the most profound forces of the universe -- each one, an immutable perfection for us to ponder.

To me, though, a person who thinks it is really important to talk about what they don't like is kind of like a dog that never stops farting. But it's cool dude, I'm sure there are people who are really into dog farts.

Thank you for proving my point. Please refer to post #58.
 
More on the topic of drop tuning, I have recently been playing with a guitarist who has composed a suite of songs in true drop D. They have kind of a strange arrangement, dense, slightly unconventional chord progressions that are tightly centered around a drone. He has asked me to help him and an excellent drummer to expand what he has written into a fuller project. I have been using a 4-string bass strung in standard BEAD, which gives me a nice interval below his D to bounce around and create movement with the drummer under the guitarist's slower moving chords.

As for the OP, I too would be annoyed if I prepared myself for an audition using incorrect tuning information. Transposing on the fly is one of my least favorite exercises. However, that has really only ever happened to me on one song that I can recall.
 
I'm playing for a band that tunes down a semitone but plays covers as originally fretted, resulting in most songs sounding a semitone lower for the benefit of the singer. But some songs were originally recorded a semitone down and so those end up being reproduced in their original key.

I have to be mindful of this when communicating to the keyboard player. He'll ask, what key? I'll be like, Bm. The guitarist will act like I said something really stupid and correct me with, "No it's Cm."

"No, to YOU it's fingered Cm. To the keyboardist, it's actually Bm".

"It's actually Cm".

Aauugghh!
 
Are there actually people dumb enough the think that altered guitar tunings exist only so that you can play "darker?"

No, but unfortunately that is the current state of popular music and what is fueling younger player's obsession with drop turnings (as opposed to alternate tunings). I also play acoustic fingerstyle guitar and enjoy playing in alternate turnings for various drone effects. However, the original post was specifically directed towards electric guitarists who drop tune to achieve lower frequencies and not having the knowledge or experience to understand that what they are doing does not necessarily require the bass player to do the same.

Be careful with the name calling. Calling someone dumb when you cannot even recognize that other people are posting their responses with regards to the original question is not a wise thing to do. You are taking posts out of context.
 
Oh, yes. Imply the possibility that someone might be "dumb" and it's time to get moderators involved. Spewing bile at someone for repeated posts is just fine, but lets not call anybody "dumb."

Incredibly opinionated opinions are sacrosanct, but suggesting incredibly opinionated opinions are "angry" is "passive-aggressive" and "small minded." This is not calling names. Only "dumb" is calling names.

sigh
 
Oh, yes. Imply the possibility that someone might be "dumb" and it's time to get moderators involved. Spewing bile at someone for repeated posts is just fine, but lets not call anybody "dumb."

Incredibly opinionated opinions are sacrosanct, but suggesting incredibly opinionated opinions are "angry" is "passive-aggressive" and "small minded." This is not calling names. Only "dumb" is calling names.

sigh

Ok, this has all gone beyond petty. Time for everyone to take a deep breath and move on.

For the record, I never called any individual anything. I have commented on their behaviors, but I never need to resort to name calling.

Lastly, this post is chock full of opinions. This blog is overloaded with them and I tend agree with very few of them. That doesn't mean I go off on these posts and give them all a piece of my mind. In fact, I rarely post anything at all. If you should make an inappropriate comment or attempt to make nonsense out one my posts however, I will respond to clarify and highlight the error in that persons response.

As for this particular thread, I answered the OP's question empathizing with their experience and included my opinion. If you don't like what have to say, deal with it and post your own opinion for the OP. But don't get all whiney when you try to trash my opinion and I rub your face in it. There are far to many folks on this blog whose only mission, whether intentional or not, is to cause trouble and start an argument. I have no patience for that.
 
Close the thread.

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Before I start off, I'm NOT a virtuoso by any means. I am NOT an expert on everything music related. I am NOT a know it all.

But I can't tell you how many times somebody has told me they use a drop tuning when they are using a standard tuning. Ill get an audition, and Ill be given a few songs to learn. when I ask for the tuning they say "drop C" (just for example) so ill tune my bass to drop C and learn the songs. Then I show up to the audition and everything is completely off because they are actually in C standard.

Again, I'm not an expert. And I know that people make mistakes. But this is becoming such a regular thing that I had to make a post about it. does anybody else go though this? How do you usually handle it?

I understand your problem. On TB drop tuning means dropping the lowest string only by one step. Other places (and even some people here) use the term to indicate a tuning where every string is tuned down the same amount. It is all compounded by those who then consider their retuned instruments to be transposing instruments and still consider their lowest open string to be an E even though it is actually a C or whatever but they never tell you this, they just give you their music to work from. Probably in many cases they don't realize what they are doing. And they may be really good musicians, just not well trained enough to understand the ramifications of what they do.

Having run into this several times I guess you need to ask more questions when working with a new band. You could also ask for rehearsal recordings to work from, those will reveal what the band really does. If they only use one tuning then most likely even a single recording will let you sort out what they do in advance. With some bands a recording will tell you more than the answers to your questions because the band really does not understand what they are doing in terms of standard musical theory and concert pitches. When you are working with a band that tunes to a standard tuning, just not E standard, the pitch shifting functions built into some multi-effects pedals can let you bridge the gap between what you were told and reality without the need to transpose on the fly.

I tune like a cello and I am pretty much always the only person on stage in my church band who does that. At least I have never played with a cellist or violist on the team yet. It really does not cause any issues, but you already understand that even though some are trying to educate you on that point. The difference is that the worship pastor who leads our worship band teams has a degree in music and he understands all the ramifications of how the various instruments are tuned. He expects the guitarists all to play a concert C when a C is written on their music and since we all do that it does not matter how we are tuned individually. At the same time he understands that the Bb clarinets need to be told to play a D if he wants it to come out as a C. He is expecting that the clarinets need to be treated as transposing instruments and that the guitars will have relearned their fingerboards to play the correct concert pitches if they do retune. You are dealing with people who are clueless about these issues and so having been burned several times already you need to adopt a trust but verify attitude. Ask questions and get recordings well in advance and consider bringing along a pitch shifter for those cases where it will get you out of trouble.

As I say, some of these guys may be excellent self taught (probably) musicians who just don't realize that what they don't know is hurting you. Why would it, it works for them!

There are many legitimate reasons to retune. I started tuning in fifths to get the range of a five string out of four strings. I ended up loving the tuning in its own right. And it certainly does make it easier to play music that was written for cellos. And probably violins, not that I have tried. But when I switched tunings I relearned the fingerboard so that when you ask for a B I play a B for you. You really have to do that when you switch from fourths to fifths. You can pretend your C string is really an E string if you want but that won't make your G string into a substitute for an A string! But when you go from one standard or drop tuning to another you do have the option of either relearning your fingerboard which keeps your instrument in concert pitch or of continuing to think of your fingerboard as if it were in concert pitch which makes your instrument into a transposing instrument. Yes, you should understand what you are doing when you do that so that you can correctly tell others how to play along with you but many people don't understand it, they just do it. If you play several different tunings then it does make sense to use the transposing approach because then a written E chord is always fingered like this no matter what pitch it actually comes out on.