Does this reverb pedal exist?

[Flatbass]

Must have:
- decent hall, room and plate sounds
- must do big ambient sounds well
- a blend/mix knob (to go 100% wet)
- reverse reverb
- tails
- not too big price tag

Is it me, or does this pedal simply not exist? I didn't think my requirements were that outrageous, but...

Boss RV-2 & RV-5 - no blend
Boss RV-3 - no decent sounding hall, although a legend in its own right
Digitech/Hardwire RV-7 & Polara & DigiVerb - no blend
Digitech Supernatural - no hall or room
EHX Holy Grail Max & Cathedral - no tails
Line6 M5 - no reverse, big, won't work with a PP2+, would prefer a dedicated pedal, I have bad experiences with digital multi-FX
Marshall RF-1 - no blend
Mooer ShimVerb & Sky Verb - no tails
Mooer ShimVerb Pro - don't care about shimmer, big, small knobs, unsure about quality
Soundblox 2 Dimension Reverb - too expensive, still no reverse, doesn't look sturdy at all
TC Electronic Hall of Fame - no blend
TC Electronic T2 - no normal hall or room


Anyone else have any suggestions?
I'm thinking about dropping the tails requirement and going with the EHX Cathedral which perfect for all of the other stuff...

 

[Dash Lashes]

my contribution today is: toneprint

 

[skulletwhip]

The Boss DigiTech and Hardwire all have blends.

 

[Ben Mifsud Joslin]

Zoom MS-70CDR fulfils all of these requirements and much more.

 

[Flatbass]

Thanks all!

my contribution today is: toneprint

Doesn't allow you to change the level knob into a blend knob. Neither can you create a reverse reverb.

The Boss DigiTech and Hardwire all have blends.

No, see my list. The RV-3 and Supernatural do, but lack other things.

Zoom MS-70CDR fulfils all of these requirements and much more.

Good suggestion! The only thing I can find is that the reverse reverb has a 'dry kill' switch, not a blend knob. That, and I'm not too fond of these menus - I prefer something that I can adjust quickly and easily.
Does it sound as good as the Cathedral, though?

 

[Ben Mifsud Joslin]

I've never tried a Cathedral, so I can't quite help you there. Going by youtube videos - yes, it does. All the effects in the Zoom sound incredibly authentic, and being able to patch up to 6 effects at once means that you can get sounds as big and wide as you'll ever possibly need The adjusting quickly thing is relative - it's true that the menus take some getting used to, but it quickly becomes second nature, and the fact that you can store patches means that when you're using it in a live context, changing settings is just a push of a button - so you technically would be adjusting quicker and more easily than you would with other pedals.

 

[Alban]

Strymon Flint does everything you want, except the reverse verbs. Their Big Sky does it all, but of course those pedals are not cheap. My guess is that you have no choice but to drop one of your requirements or save up for a Strymon. I would do the latter, they are great.

 

[MightyMiloQuinn]

TC Electronic Trinity (original version)?

Edit: not sure if there's a reverse Toneprint.

 

[skulletwhip]

FYI, on the Boss and Hardwire, the knob called Effect Level is a wet/dry mix, dude.

 

[Flatbass]

I've never tried a Cathedral, so I can't quite help you there. Going by youtube videos - yes, it does. All the effects in the Zoom sound incredibly authentic, and being able to patch up to 6 effects at once means that you can get sounds as big and wide as you'll ever possibly need The adjusting quickly thing is relative - it's true that the menus take some getting used to, but it quickly becomes second nature, and the fact that you can store patches means that when you're using it in a live context, changing settings is just a push of a button - so you technically would be adjusting quicker and more easily than you would with other pedals.

Thanks for the help!

Thing is... One of my gigs is an 'experimental, fully improvised, groove band'. I have to know my pedals inside out and adjust parameters quickly for whatever the moment requires. Presets and menus don't really work here.

I have not used mine in a while...but, MarkBass?

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No blend, no hall, no reverse, no tails... It almost checks none of the boxes

Strymon Flint does everything you want, except the reverse verbs. Their Big Sky does it all, but of course those pedals are not cheap. My guess is that you have no choice but to drop one of your requirements or save up for a Strymon. I would do the latter, they are great.

Yeah, the Strymon was out from the beginning because of the cost. But man, those demos on their website do sound awesome! I can't really justify buying it now, but maybe someday... For now I'll think I'll drop the 'tails' thing and I'll see how much it bothers me live.

TC Electronic Trinity (original version)?

Edit: not sure if there's a reverse Toneprint.

Nice one! However, toneprint doesn't allow reverse delays or reverbs.
Sorry, gotta have Kevin Shields-like shoegaze-y noise!

FYI, on the Boss and Hardwire, the knob called Effect Level is a wet/dry mix, dude.

Are you sure? On the RV-3 it says 'Balance' and then they changed it to 'E. Level' on the RV-5. The manual says
"7. E.LEVEL (effect level) Knob
This adjusts the volume of the effect sound."
A couple of pages later they explain that to kill the dry sound, you can plug into 'input B' only. Seems silly if you could just turn the E. Level all the way up.

The Hardwire manual says more or less the same. It also says that, when using the RV-7 in an effects loop, you should turn the effects-loops'-mix to 100%. In other words, there's no way to kill or turn down the dry on the RV-7.


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It seems like the question is now: How much of an annoyance is it to go from ambient 'verb to 100% dry bass in a live setting? Anyone want to chime in?

 

[vincent69]

What do you think of the Iron Ether NIMBUS ?
It has clean volume, reverb volume, room size and filter. The latest version has dedicated bass and treble knobs instead of the simple filter.
With the exception of reverse, I think it will do everything. I own the original version and it can really go from subtle to big ambient sounds.

Nimbus - Iron Ether

and a few YouTube demos




Portrait of Tracy played with a fretless and the Nimbus

 

[skulletwhip]

The DigiTech Digiverb does 100℅ wet. Has backward and the hall sound rules. Trails as well.

 

[Flatbass]

The DigiTech Digiverb does 100℅ wet. Has backward and the hall sound rules. Trails as well.

Thanks. You own one, right?
Will it only do 100% wet, like a switch, or also 80% wet? In other words, is it a true blend knob? If is does, it's probably the pedal for me!

 

[skulletwhip]

Thanks. You own one, right?
Will it only do 100% wet, like a switch, or also 80% wet? In other words, is it a true blend knob? If is does, it's probably the pedal for me!

Lemme go ahead and check real quick on mine.

Edit: oh yeah. 100% the reverse to me only sounds good with the level turned way up. In fact it sounds awesome like that.

I mostly use the Hall mode. I stomp it on and off really quick for a big crash kinda thing.

 

[Flatbass]

What do you think of the Iron Ether NIMBUS ?
It has clean volume, reverb volume, room size and filter. The latest version has dedicated bass and treble knobs instead of the simple filter.
With the exception of reverse, I think it will do everything. I own the original version and it can really go from subtle to big ambient sounds.

Nimbus - Iron Ether

and a few YouTube demos




Portrait of Tracy played with a fretless and the Nimbus

Thanks, but... expensive and no reverse.

Lemme go ahead and check real quick on mine.

Edit: oh yeah. 100% the reverse to me only sounds good with the level turned way up. In fact it sounds awesome like that.

I mostly use the Hall mode. I stomp it on and off really quick for a big crash kinda thing.

Thanks a lot for checking!!

 

[skulletwhip]

Thanks, but... expensive and no reverse.

Thanks a lot for checking!!

No problem. I don't think its in production any more, but I got mine on EBay for like 45 bucks not too long ago.

The gated mode is pretty cool too. The spring sound is awesome. You could write totally rad surf music all day with it.

 

[SplinteredSkull]

It seems like the question is now: How much of an annoyance is it to go from ambient 'verb to 100% dry bass in a live setting? Anyone want to chime in?

I have a SA reverb, and I can guarantee you it's a solid little tank filled to the brim with noises. It's really not that expensive for what you get especially if you go used. But to answer that question, my SA has an expression input with control over the reverb send and the mix (as well as other parameters). It's a simple move of the heel to go from %100 wet modverb to %100 dry bass, and by picking which parameter, you can control whether it suddenly cuts out or whether it's fluid (depending on what you want and how fast you move your heel).

 

[Real Soon]

What do you mean by tails, or no tails? I own a Cathedral, and it sounds like a perfect match, but it seems this mysterious parameter is getting in the way.

 

[Flatbass]

What do you mean by tails, or no tails? I own a Cathedral, and it sounds like a perfect match, but it seems this mysterious parameter is getting in the way.

When you turn the Cathedral off, the reverberation stops immediately. Some other pedals will let the reverb decay while not adding new 'verb to the signal. The Digitech Polara even has a 'tails' switch with which you can select either option.

I would imagine that if I'd go from 'ambient mode' (on) to 'normal bass' (off) mode, the transition is a bit abrupt.
What's your experience with the Cath'?

 

[psp742]

How about Digitech Polara.. Seems like a nice reverb pedal.