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Don't understand this 'suggestion' from the Ampeg website:

#61
Chris 'Wighat' Jordan said:
I view with suspicion the marketing blurbs on any product I'm interested in. That nonsense is often insulting misinformation.




HOLY SCMOLY! Is that a 5-string?



They can be "designed to go together" all they want; the core problem is the disparity in cone area and power handling between the 410 and 115.
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The problem is phase cancellation and comb filtering unless the design accounts for this. The power handling might not be a problem depending on how much juice you give them.
 
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Chris 'Wighat' Jordan said:
HOLY SCMOLY! Is that a 5-string.
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My eyes are not that good, it looks like a four. But Ampeg did make the standard Baby Bass (BB) and the five string BB5, left and right handed.

A lot of people don't know this but Elvis liked to play bass. There are studio shots of him playing. Some info here: http://www.scottymoore.net/56PBass.html. He apparently played a lot of instruments and was a good musician.

56 Pbass: $637, a lot of money back then.
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TrevorOfDoom said:
Also, speaker cone surface is more closely related to volume that frequency responce. 4x10 has roughly the same cone surface as 2 15"s, so it's already intrinsically louder than the 1x15".
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You are assuming the 4-10 cab has the same efficiency as the 1-15, and leaving out the F3 and F10 values.

Doubling speaker area increases output by 3db. However, the 15E has sensitivity of 98dB as does the 410HE. 410 HE has a F3(-3dB) of 60hz. Assuming identical power and sensitivity the output of the 15E will be the same as the 410HE and 3dB greater than the 410HE at and below 60hz.

Also, this is why a great many mismatched cab sets blow the 15", and never any of the 10"s.
You're asking a single speaker to keep up with the equivalent of two of the same kind of speaker.
Like racing a single horse cart against a 2 horse cart. Simple math.
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You will blow a single 15 cab before the 4-10 cab because of power. The 15E has RMS of 200W vs 500W of the 4-10. 200w to the 15" is 200w to the 15". An identical 200w to the 4-10 is is only 50W to each 10". One is being pushed to the limit, the other still has 60% headroom.

And we still don't know what the individual cabs sound like in relation to each other. Looking at the dimensions I would assume the single 15 in a cab almost as big as the cab with 4-10 would sound boomy and deep in comparison.
 
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It's just marketing speak giving in to to the popular idea that bigger speakers do lower frequencies.

Anyway this thread seems to be an excuse for Ampeg-bashing, so here's a picture of one of my two Ampeg combos to even things out a bit.
 
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aaronious said:
Yes it's stupid marketing speak.

HOWEVER. Arguably, two of the busiest and best bass players on the planet are never seen without their mixed sized cabs.

I'm talking about Victor Wooten and Flea.
You'd think that would be enough to put the don't mix cabs Nazis to rest.

BUT NOT ON TB, where everyone's a pro!!!:roflmao::cool::bassist:
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Victor Wooten also sells a super expensive, fancy power cable that does literally nothing that a regular power cable doesn't. Not going to take his word on anything.
 
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If you want "chest-thumping low end like nobody’s business" I'd suggest getting the 410HLF (from my own experience).

"The SVT-410HLF delivers devastating low-end bass, all the way down to 28Hz, thanks to four 10” speakers working together to move a tremendous amount of air. The SVT-410HLF actually moves 10% more air than two 18-inch speakers, and 25% more than three 15-inch speakers!"

Edit: Jimmy's response on page 1 is spot on, sorry for not reading first
 
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dgrizzly said:
If you want "chest-thumping low end like nobody’s business" I'd suggest getting the 410HLF (from my own experience).

"The SVT-410HLF delivers devastating low-end bass, all the way down to 28Hz, thanks to four 10” speakers working together to move a tremendous amount of air. The SVT-410HLF actually moves 10% more air than two 18-inch speakers, and 25% more than three 15-inch speakers!"

Edit: Jimmy's response on page 1 is spot on, sorry for not reading first
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Eh, it's more bowel and feet rumbling low end, in my experience.
 
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Korladis said:
Victor Wooten also sells a super expensive, fancy power cable that does literally nothing that a regular power cable doesn't. Not going to take his word on anything.
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I had no idea he was lending his name to anything like that. Hilarious. It does look quite cool though. Actually I think I might play better if I have one :)
 
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dgrizzly said:
I'll give you that - I suppose "chest-thumping" would be a bit more low-mid focused?
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Possibly. Yeah, actually, more what the 810 does.

JimmyM said:
It's gotten better over the last few years and moved a little more to the chest :D
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Still probably my least favorite Ampeg cab. But that's the point of having multiple products. The 810, 610, 15, sealed 410, and 212 are all quite nice sounding to me.
 
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walterw said:
seriously?

(OK, you're new here so no jumping down throats :)).

do some reading in the zillion "mixed cabs" threads or "15 and 4x10" threads that always happen around here, very worthwhile once you get past all the bickering and angst.

upshot is, 4x10s have more lows than 1x15s, not less, and mixing cabs is not so awesome compared to identical pairs of the right cab.

(watch this thread, it'll become another one of those long, angst-y "mixing cabs" sagas by the weekend; you'll get some actual experts, some pseudo-experts, references to victor wooten and flea using mixed cab rigs, appeals to "art" instead of "science", maybe some infractions from the moderators. should be epic...)
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^^^this^^^:roflmao::roflmao: :thumbsup::roflmao::cool::smug::woot::bassist::hyper::thumbsup::roflmao::cool::smug::woot::bassist::hyper::roflmao::roflmao:
 
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alienstarguest said:
Here is the literature from the SVT 15e cab page:

When only the fat, warm sound of a 15” speaker will get the job done, we highly recommend the SVT-15E. Armed with a massive five-pound magnet, the SVT-15E’s custom-designed 15” speaker generates chest-thumping low end like nobody’s business—all the way down to 33Hz. Team it up with the SVT-CL head and an SVT-410HE, for top-end, and you’re guaranteed to get the dance floor moving.
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Does this make any sense given the 15e and 410he are full range cabs. The literature implying the 15 handles low end and the 410 top end. I thought that was a bi-amping thing. The SVT CL being the suggested amp. ???
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You don't understand Ampeg suggesting you buy 2 of their cabs and a head?

In all seriousness though, you should trust their marketing mumbo jumbo as much as you should trust people screaming not to mix cabs. Which is to say, trust them about 67.4%. Give or take.
 
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Of greater concern should be all brands say amp puts out so many watts, yet we all know that second cab required to achieve stated output. Seems to be standard marketing to confuse novices?
 

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