TC, you say? Well isn't that special? Sometimes the cosmic boomerang hits the mark dead on! Isn't that right, person I have on ignore who has spent the last 6 years attacking me at every opportunity because of the TC wattage thing?
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Don't understand this 'suggestion' from the Ampeg website:
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no mention of audio. I cannot connect the information theory to musical sinewave production. At most I see the disconnect being that each wave is entirely predictable from its predecessors.
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Was it just marketing talk.... of course. What if there wasn't a dance floor to be moved?
It's subjective, plain and simple. My subjective taste is no better than your subjective taste.
It's the blind leading the blind, but arguing over who sees better the whole time.
If you could run 1 ampeg 15, 1 Schroeder 15, an 810 with 8 completely different speakers, a bass with 2 E strings and guitar pickups, and you think it's the best tone you've ever heard, who can tell you your ears are hearing wrong?
It's subjective, plain and simple. My subjective taste is no better than your subjective taste.
It's the blind leading the blind, but arguing over who sees better the whole time.
If you could run 1 ampeg 15, 1 Schroeder 15, an 810 with 8 completely different speakers, a bass with 2 E strings and guitar pickups, and you think it's the best tone you've ever heard, who can tell you your ears are hearing wrong?
it's more like you might get phase issues, and more with some cab combos than others, and it might be enough to bother you or it might not.
the mixed stack is usually "close enough for rock and roll" and will sound bigger and louder than either individual cab by itself. that alone makes it good enough for lots of people.
the only point here is that a matched pair of good cabs will definitely not have any problems like that, and given equal quality/size/power cabs to the mixed stack will more likely sound better.
(and did i call it on the first page or what? over one weekend and almost 200 posts later we've got stuff about hitler and other stuff about information theory and the psychological effect of sine waves, this thread has behaved perfectly true to expectations
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it's more like you might get phase issues, and more with some cab combos than others, and it might be enough to bother you or it might not.
the mixed stack is usually "close enough for rock and roll" and will sound bigger and louder than either individual cab by itself. that alone makes it good enough for lots of people.
the only point here is that a matched pair of good cabs will definitely not have any problems like that, and given equal quality/size/power cabs to the mixed stack will more likely sound better.
(and did i call it on the first page or what? over one weekend and almost 200 posts later we've got stuff about hitler and other stuff about information theory and the psychological effect of sine waves, this thread has behaved perfectly true to expectations
Bill Fitzmaurice has shared on many occasions and in multiple forums what he characterizes as an acoustical engineering fact that goes pretty much like this: Almost any two cabs together will sound better than either one alone, that's just a property of how speakers function. That's a long way from saying that any two cabs/drivers together will give the best possible result.
As for the ramblings in this thread, I've got over 40 year experience as an engineer and couldn't make heads or tails of most of it.
Agree about your atrophy to this thread.
IMO you posted one of the most sensible answers in this field regarding topic of this thread.
Pretty good description to declare why it's valid for marketing department to promote even some mixed options.
And I think it's meaningless if the mixed option may or may not fit everyones personal sound goals. Some may like it while others do not.
Those folks who (frequently) assume even with well designed gear a risk due to phase will (therefore) frequently assume even marketing goals to pay endorsers just doing it.
Long time ago Ken Hensley (when once handled artist relations for St.Lous Music) told it this way:
"I believe it's best to choose the equipment you use on it's true merit, not just because of the money or advertising.
Both you and the manufacturer will be better served when you endorse a product you're truly proud to use."
He also told that in some situations an endorser may be paid to endorse a distinct product.
I think there is more truth with the former.
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Hell, I bought a Precision new in 1976 and it was only $400!$697 WAS a lot of money for a P-bass in 1956. I understood THAT!
I remember being really upset in '78 because they wanted MORE THAN $500! for one. ...so I refretted my '63 Jazz instead
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I've been wondering about that Elvis receipt. Maybe it included a tweed amp that wasn't listed. Odd that he would buy a bass and no amp, there wasn't a lot of options back in '57. I recall seeing a price list from that era and the Precision was around $220, a Strat was around $250.
That sure would make more sense. It was a truly fun derail, anyway. Thanks!
Maybe he bought two and gave one to Bill Black
Would that be the one Bill threw on the floor when he walked out?Maybe he bought two and gave one to Bill Black
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OK, well, that's how you feel, than sure it's "marketing garbage". Personally, I'm in love with the sound of my Ampeg 1x15. It definitely has it's own tone.
Maybe he bought two and gave one to Bill Black
Read the bit about horn sections and drummers making bands louder. I had to laugh. We owe it all to them.
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This thread and those like this one always give me a good laugh.
I use the the SVT 410 + 115 for two separate rig setups. One using a SVT 4pro and the other using a 6pro. I've never had a problem with my sound and my tone is great. I get definitive lows and mids to compete with two very loud guitars and a drummer. I don't have to crank up my amp to compete for sound and can find my space in the mix. It just flat our works. When I play shows outside that doesn't have PA support I just pair the the 410e cabs together and everyone is happy.
Sometimes people get stuck in the science of something and forget that engineering can be used to get a desired outcome.
I use the the SVT 410 + 115 for two separate rig setups. One using a SVT 4pro and the other using a 6pro. I've never had a problem with my sound and my tone is great. I get definitive lows and mids to compete with two very loud guitars and a drummer. I don't have to crank up my amp to compete for sound and can find my space in the mix. It just flat our works. When I play shows outside that doesn't have PA support I just pair the the 410e cabs together and everyone is happy.
Sometimes people get stuck in the science of something and forget that engineering can be used to get a desired outcome.
