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Doubts about Fender's bass adjustments procedure

I had to figure out how to set up my basses before the internet. Meaning, as a teenager I abused my first bass like nobody's business. But I learned a lot about what the various adjustments did and how they affected playability. While I am grateful for all the online resources, they also create unnecessary OCD around this stuff.


My distilled guide that doesn't spend 35 pages explaining stuff because it really isn't brain surgery (assuming everything works on the bass):

1. Use the truss rod to set the curvature of the neck. You want it almost straight, with just enough curvature to allow for the string to move with no buzz. (Unless buzz is part of your sound.) I hold down the E string at the first fret and 17th fret and look at the space around the 8th fret. If the string is sitting on the fret, loosen the truss rod. If it looks like you can fit more than a business card under the E string, tighten the rod. I rotate no more than 45 degrees at a time. If it's tight and doesn't want to move, stop, take it to a pro. For what it's worth, James Jamerson's bass's neck was bent like a banana and he didn't give a crap and still sounded great.

2. Set the string height at the bridge so that you have the action that gets you the sound and feel you want. Turns out, once I bothered to measure, I like 3/32" at the 12th fret for the E string, 2/32" for the G, the A and D in between. Pretty standard. My fingers could tell without a ruler. Go figure. Some people like higher, some lower. Keep the saddles parallel to the body of the bass.

3. Set intonation to get your notes in tune everywhere on the neck. I loosen the strings when I reset the intonation because it's easier to adjust the saddles that way.

Ultimately, as long as you don't take the rod to its extremes, you will not hurt the instrument. It's meant to adjust the bass to your preferences and playing style. Don't be afraid to experiment. You can bring out different characteristics of the instrument via different setups.
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"My distilled guide that doesn't spend 35 pages explaining stuff because it really isn't brain surgery (assuming everything works on the bass):"

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Unnecessary comment. It's a COMPLETE GUIDE. it explains the mechanics at work. Many people want to know the details, it gives the confidence, once you totally understand what's happening, to think through your approach to dealing with an issue.

What's wrong with learning? Our OP came here for help and to learn. The guide was suggested because it's really very good at laying out cause and effect. Our OP read it and still has questions. Soon enough, expedited by reading the book entirely like he has, he will have a flash of total understanding. That's called learning. That guide serves very well for they that seek enlightenment.
 
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It's hard to fix a thing when you don't even know how it works, right?
Honestly, the Drozd guide was essential for me, as well as other infos I neede. I'm sure I could have done my setup without reading anything and just watching somebody doing it, but it's better to understand things, absorb them and then operate. It just works better, at least for me.
And the Drozd guide isn't long at all, I've read it in about 30 minutes.
 
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Unnecessary comment. It's a COMPLETE GUIDE. it explains the mechanics at work. Many people want to know the details, it gives the confidence, once you totally understand what's happening,

My point is that a guide like that can be overwhelming to a beginner and often includes information that complicates the understanding of what one wants or needs to get done.

How is adjusting a bass like brain surgery? It's not.

"What's wrong with learning?"

Nothing. I encourage it. I teach for a living. Scaffolding is sound pedagogy.
 
I know. Teaching has changed. Used to be you were supposed to read the chapter of the textbook before attending the lecture.

We're all dinosaurs I tells ya!

Brain surgery? You built that scaffold. Obviously to the op it is as mysterious otherwise he wouldn't be here asking questions,and did you miss it? They are deep questions. Questions tha show he's diving deep into the quest for enlightenment.
 
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The guide wasn't overwhelming at all to me, the entire "setup" context was. I play stringed instruments since almost 30 years, never did anything by myself to them apart from changing strings.
I think that considering the way I approach all kinds of problems, the Drozd guide was perfect. I just found a couple of things that could be explained a little bit better, but maybe it's just poor translation from the original language.
Anyway, the "100% visual" approach works for me, I just couldn't find a teacher locally. So I learned by myself and I hope I'll be ready to help other people very soon.
 
The guide wasn't overwhelming at all to me, the entire "setup" context was. I play stringed instruments since almost 30 years, never did anything by myself to them apart from changing strings.
I think that considering the way I approach all kinds of problems, the Drozd guide was perfect. I just found a couple of things that could be explained a little bit better, but maybe it's just poor translation from the original language.
Anyway, the "100% visual" approach works for me, I just couldn't find a teacher locally. So I learned by myself and I hope I'll be ready to help other people very soon.
You're on the way and it's great that you'll be able to have full understanding to share.
 
Yesterday I did the final little adjustments and I can say my first setup is done.
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The only two things that bothered me during the process were:
1) The truss rod was a little bit hard to turn with that damn Fender t-shaped wrench, especially the last 8th of turn.
2) Pickguard is scratched (see rant 1) and I'll probably fix it with a Dremel.
 
Yesterday I did the final little adjustments and I can say my first setup is done.
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The only two things that bothered me during the process were:
1) The truss rod was a little bit hard to turn with that damn Fender t-shaped wrench, especially the last 8th of turn.
2) Pickguard is scratched (see rant 1) and I'll probably fix it with a Dremel.

To avoid the two things that bothered you, take the neck off to make the adjustment, and then use a regular hex key wrench rather than the T style that Fender gives you. You'll get better leverage.
 
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To avoid the two things that bothered you, take the neck off to make the adjustment, and then use a regular hex key wrench rather than the T style that Fender gives you. You'll get better leverage.
That's reassuring, thanks. I'll try next time. I almost thought that the truss rod on my P bass was almost maxed out, but I think the t-shaped tool has limited leverage.
Anyway, it's funny how I didn't find that much about action at the nut. It's not menitoned in the guides I've read but it's very important. I didn't check mine honestly, but everything seem to sound good.
 
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Anyway, it's funny how I didn't find that much about action at the nut. It's not menitoned in the guides I've read but it's very important.

This is an excellent point and very astute of you to pick up on. In my experience, very few instruments come from the factory with the nut action dialed in. It can be tricky to get right, because of course if you go just a hair too far you may need a new nut. Some people will build up a nut slot that's too deep with super glue and then file a new slot, but of course it's preferable to not get that far in the first place.

To really do it right, adjusting nut action requires tools that most people don't have (i.e., [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]), which may be one reason that a how-to-set-up-your-bass guide might omit it. There are tricks and shortcuts that might work, such as wrapping sandpaper around a string, or even using a string as a file/saw. (My recollection is that Rotosound steel roundwounds, for instance, feel a lot like saw blades under the fingers!) (I kid.) (Not really.) The other thing you definitely need is some sort of feeler gauge or [Invalid or Expired Link Removed] to measure the clearance of the string at the first fret. In this regard, given the clearance range you are looking for (I usually shoot for .010" on guitars and maybe .015" on basses) you can always use a length of guitar string of the appropriate thickness.

Finally, this is coming late to the thread, but, here's a simple process for setting action on a bass or guitar that requires no special tools or measurements. This is different than doing a full set-up and it sounds like you've already gotten beyond this, but I'll just put it here in case it's helpful to somebody:


Play up and down each string. Do they buzz unacceptably anywhere?

No:

Are you happy with how the bass plays?

Yes: Congratulations! You're done.

No: Lower the string height a bit and repeat.​

Yes: If you are getting buzz

On the low frets by the nut, but not on the upper frets by the body: Add some more relief to the neck, and repeat.

On the high frets by the body but not on the low frets by the nut: Take some relief out of the neck, raise the string height a bit, and repeat.

Everywhere: Raise the string height a bit, and repeat.​

Only in one specific place on the neck: Sorry, but you have a high or low fret, and you will need some sort of fret leveling or re-seating---have a tech or luthier check it out.​

When using this procedure, as you get closer, you can make smaller and smaller adjustments. Eventually you will get to the point where it's as good as it can be. If your neck is not warped or twisted and your frets are in good shape, even a cheapo bass can be made to play remarkably well.

Learning to set up your own instrument can be intimidating but once you figure it out it's an invaluable skill to have. Among other things, you can often tell whether a poorly-playing instrument is really a dog, or just not set up properly, which can get you bargains on good-quality-but-bad-setup instruments that other people may overlook. I got a sweet deal not too long ago on a Thunderbird that played poorly in the store, but it just needed a truss rod adjustment. Other people probably played it, felt that the action was horrible, and passed. From knowing how set-ups work, I could look beyond the excessive neck relief and see the potential in the instrument.

Good luck!
 
I'm defintely digging the new setup. I come from 45-100 flats and the new 50-105 rounds are working pretty well for the kind of tones I need these days. I like the clarity, definition and brightness of these Ernie Ball Slinkies, plus the bigger gauge results in more gain, so all my dirt pedals and preamps seem to respond differently.
I noticed that playing in the upper register (from 12th fret) results in a bigger tone, especially on the E string. I need to play lighter with my picking hand since it seems like engaging a boost. Is this normal?
 
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After a couple of weeks with 50-105 rounds I came back to 45-100 flats, so I needed to setup my instrument again.
Neck relief was too little after changing strings, so I loosened the truss rod a little bit and get a great 0.30 mm relief, which is perfect. I also adusted action and intonation, as well as pickups height. Everything sounds and feels great and this time it took me just a couple of hours.

I just wanted to say that in my specific case, some Fender specs are not applicable to my instrument, at least not in its current state.
For example, let's see the G string action. From Fender specs, it should be 2 mm, right?
Even with the G saddle completely down, I can't reach 2 mm and it's higher. Not a problem for me because I usually set up my G string around 2.5 mm, but I'm curious. Why? Maybe I need to lower the nut action? Maybe a little bit of neck shimming would get me there?
The same is for pickups height. With the Fender specs, pickups are a little bit too close to the strings and results in boomy frequencies which are hard to manage. I like my pickups on the lower side, to get a more "acoustic" natural sound that, in my opinion, makes the flat strings sing way better.
 
Don't try to adjust the height of the G string at the nut. From your description (saddle bottomed, G string still a bit high and pickups bottomed but still too high) you need a shim in the neck pocket. Take a business card (not a credit card) and cut a piece about 1/2" wide. Put it in the neck pocket at the butt end and reassemble. If you feel that the business card is adversely affecting the sound of the bass as some folks suggest, you can replace the card with a piece of wood veneer or plastic.

BTW, I don't find that business card has any negative effect on the sound as opposed to wood or other typical shim material. If you are concerned that the shim might cause a ski jump, as others have suggested, you could replace the card stock partial shim with a full pocket shim. But I would start with a partial shim of business card because it's easy to do and gives you the opportunity to evaluate the effectiveness of this solution. Even if a partial shim could cause a ski jump (I doubt it) it would take several years. I have two basses with partial shims that I have had for over 20 years - no ski jumps.