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Downsizing from rigs of doom...which path did you take?

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I used mainly 15s when I first started playing, but never owned a 2-15. My brief period with a Fender 4-12 taught me that multiple single speaker cabs are better than a huge cab with multiple speakers. In 1980 I had a 60s Bassman and a Peavey 1-15. I switched to a Traynor 1-15 combo with a matching 1-15 extension for louder gigs. They were on casters so I never gave much thought to the weight. Sometimes I'd use the Bassman with the extension cab instead of the combo.

In 1988 I got an A.M.P. BH-420 head and an EV-loaded EAW 1-15. A few years later a coworker told me was building some 1-12 cabs to EV plans and that one 4x8 sheet of plywood was enough to build three but he only needed two. I agreed to pay him $30 to build it, loaded it briefly with the 12” speaker from a Lowrey organ and then an EVM-12L which was what the cab was designed for.

In the late 90s I decided to try an Epifani T-112 cab after reading glowing reviews, liked it and bought a pair. A year later I was seduced into the world of Bergantino, ending up with a pair of HT112s. I finally sold the EAW after keeping it around for years as a backup (never needed it, though). I was still rocking the BH-420 head and had bought the lower powered BH-260 to use as a spare. I was now doing a lot of gigs doubling BG and DB, using an A-B box in front of the amp. I'd set the EQ for DB and leave it there for the BG.

I accidentally went class D about 25 years ago when I bought a Walter Woods amp. I didn’t know it then, but apparently all but his 100 watt model (I had the 225 watt model…his most powerful was 1200!) were class D and weighed 8 pounds. I only bought it because it had two full preamp channels so I could finally have different settings for BG and DB on my doubling gigs. It made my two A.M.P. heads (16 and 25 pounds respectively) feel like boat anchors, though they were featherweights after a Bassman and a Mesa D-180. I have experienced even lighter class D heads (isn’t the ELF only 2 pounds?) but I don't need anything lighter than the WW.

About 15 years ago I picked up an Acoustic Image Coda class D combo (10” woofer, 5” midrange, tweeter) for my DB only gigs. The Coda is tiny and weighs less than 25 pounds. It does make my Bergantinos at 38 pounds each feel heavy although they seemed like featherweights compared to that EAW. I now have a second combo as well as an extension cab. Sadly AI closed it’s doors in early 2023 when it’s founder passed.

I’m sitting pretty with what I have for now, although I have gotten interested in GR amps. They make a two channel 1-12 combo designed for DB. 800 watts and 20 pounds. Too bad it costs over $1600 :bored:
 
I went from heavy heads into an 18 inch folded horn to 410 Hartke cab to a 56 pound Epifani UL410 and now to my current rig, a 6 pound Genz Benz Shuttlemax 12.0 into a 32 pound Epifani UL210 and a 28 pound Epifani UL112. Total rig is well under 70 pounds and is putting out 750 watts.
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2016, Before Enlightenment: Avatar 4x10, two Avatar 2x10s.
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2022, After Enlightenment: RevSound 2x10. Weight: 30 lbs. It is every bit as loud as the old big rig. I've used it on outdoor gigs with no DI, everybody could hear me to the back of the park. And it's small enough to use for pretty much any venue.
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Just noticed: 2016, Lakland Skyline. 2022, Lakland USA.
 
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I agree with others who said a high quality neo vertical 212 with an 800W class D amp is an ideal setup (Berg, Mesa, etc.). In many cases a 210 would work too. If you find a little foldable amp stand with sight tilt back, it will get the cab closer to your ears and less coupled with the floor (esp. wooden stage).

stand example Proline Amp Stand
 
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As crazy as it sounds, I’ve gone to see rock bands at bars, and the bass player sounds amazing, and is just running a single 12”. Saw a jazz band (horns, keys, drums, UB) and the keys and bass were each using a small combo with either a 10” or 12” speaker. They sounded great too. Small venue, but the amps were definitely heard around every nook in the place. So lightweight and loud are definite possibilities.
 
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My largest from way back was a 118 folded horn and a 3x12. From there it went down to a 2x15, then a pair of 2x10s. For the last about 10years it's been a pair of Shuttle 112s. The top half is a 32lb combo that I take to rehearsals and I add the 27lb. extension for gigs. I nearly always have PA support.
 
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The smallest and lightest 2X10 + 5 in the world but will be easily shamed by Bareface or GR 110 (so I have heard and told here in TB) in terms of volume. 15lbs and you can drop like a B|Amp on top . I was playing these - Carvin + avatar 210s + SWR head. Mesa 400 (still have it)/ SVT-CL (dold) Mesa PH/Diesel 1x15+ @x10 (still have in the shed)

600 inefficient watts at 4 ohms (below the minimum 126 SPL that is also a TB requirement :) but I think it is good enough for stage). Acoustic Image Doubleshot. I also have EA 1X10 and 2 1X12s. Whizzy's

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Barefaced gets a lot of love as a cabinet that puts out as much or more volume as larger cabinets with more drivers.

Yep. My go-to rig has long been a Fender Super Bassman 300 with the Neo 410 cab. I love that rig but it's 150lbs (head, cab, and case for the head) and I quite literally threw my back out last winter packing out from a gig.

So I've been on a quest to find a lighter weight rig that still brought the thunder. I've ended up with a Bareface Super Twin cab. At only 40lbs I can run that with something like a GK legacy head and be well under 50lbs total.

If I had it all to do over I might go with a Barefaced Single 12" cab. I love the Super Twin but given the volume that thing cranks out a single probably would be fine for me.

And the tone is killer.

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I'm used to heavy rigs, large speaker configurations, horns, etc. with a lot of tone. I've primarily used Trace Elliot and SWR cabs and always preferred the sound of 15"s and horns and a more sterile, hi-fi sound. But I'm getting old and I want to take a more modern, lightweight and compact path. For those of you that have downsized from massive rigs, what path did you take? I'm looking for ideas for home studio/recording use, small venues and medium venues with PA support.

I went from a pair of 15/6/1 cabs and stereo biamped QSC PA amps to an AudioKinesis 112 and various Class D amps. For the jams and open mics I play these days that's still overkill, so I'm using a 110 with a tiny Traynor SB200 head built in. I still sound just like myself, but couldn't carry a 300 seat rock club without FOH support like I used to have to do occasionally.
 
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Last big group I was in was 80's metal. 2 4x10, 2 2x10, but mostly for the 80's look. I was only using signal through the 2x10s. 8 slot rack case (2 amps, power strip, eq, bbe, tuner), and pedal board. Two basses. Depending on the venue that was 4-6 trips to the car for unload.

Monoliths should be the domain of archeologists, not musicians.

Now I've got tuner, effects, eq, etc, on a single board with DI. Many smaller venues here still don't have FoH, so I'm ordering a Phil Jones amp and cabinet, which has a built-in handle and wheels. Double gig bag on one shoulder, rolling cabinet behind. One trip, and a lot of stage space opened up for those smooth stage moves.
 
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Two 1x12 markbass cabinets, one of which is a combo. Toured in 2018 with it with an original reggae band, with horn section and was more than enoough even for med sized venues we played (500-1500) . Still like my sound mic'd, if pa etc needed.
 
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