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I borrowed a 5 string US MTD (wish I could have afforded to buy it!) and used a standard tuner for a few gigs. It tuned up perfectly with no intonation issues. I will have to look into what makes the buzz feiten system different. The MTD frets were all parallel, so it can't be too radically different right?

normally this would work. But this applies to setting intonation. It’s a brand new bridge. If push comes to shove, I have a guy I can ship it to to handle.
 
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normally this would work. But this applies to setting intonation. It’s a brand new bridge. If push comes to shove, I have a guy I can ship it to to handle.
I just read up on what the BFTS is and it’s just a repositioned nut, or in the case of an MTD, a repositioned zero fret to compensate for “end tension” which makes notes play sharp down near the nut (frets 1-3 for instance). Modern EBMM basses have nuts with compensated nut slots to do the same thing and no special tuner is needed to set intonation. And, I can’t find any explanation as to why a special BFTS tuner has to be used for intonation when the repositioned nut should have already fixed the “end tension”. There’s a lot of talking in circles to try to make the process seem revolutionary when setting intonation is nothing but changing the string length. Use a standard tuner, I guarantee you’ll be able to get the strings to intonate.

I always check/set intonation using open strings, 3rd, 5th, 7th, 12th and 15th fret notes and get the best setting for the areas of the neck I use the most: 3rd through 12th fret.
 
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I just read up on what the BFTS is and it’s just a repositioned nut, or in the case of an MTD, a repositioned zero fret to compensate for “end tension” which makes notes play sharp down near the nut (frets 1-3 for instance). Modern EBMM basses have nuts with compensated nut slots to do the same thing and no special tuner is needed to set intonation. And, I can’t find any explanation as to why a special BFTS tuner has to be used for intonation when the repositioned nut should have already fixed the “end tension”. There’s a lot of talking in circles to try to make the process seem revolutionary when setting intonation is nothing but changing the string length. Use a standard tuner, I guarantee you’ll be able to get the strings to intonate.

I always check/set intonation using open strings, 3rd, 5th, 7th, 12th and 15th fret notes and get the best setting for the areas of the neck I use the most: 3rd through 12th fret.

I concur. I read through it one time in the past, to me it seemed to be a solution in search of a problem.

And I'm not saying "use a tuner and normal set up techniques and get close enough". I use a Peterson strobe tuner and achieve perfect intonation every set up. Including crooked frets!;)
 
I concur. I read through it one time in the past, to me it seemed to be a solution in search of a problem.

And I'm not saying "use a tuner and normal set up techniques and get close enough". I use a Peterson strobe tuner and achieve perfect intonation every set up. Including crooked frets!;)
I was trying to say the same thing about the BFTS in a gentler way LOL. I can agree with and understand a compensated nut, and love zero frets. But the supposed need for a special tuner is a clever way to get someone to spend their money.... a common thing in all predominantly male hobbies I’ve noticed.
 
You did me in. I have not had a Pal's burger since I played Mamma Mia! for Encore Theatrical in summer 2019.

Hey, Michael! I am going to be subbing a few dates at Tusculum for their production of Mamma Mia! and I see from some pit bass notes that it calls for a 5 string and a fretless. Questions: How important is the fretless? And I assume the 5 is a low-B - can it be done without the low B? Mine are currently tuned E-C, which is exactly how I like it. But we do what we have to, so I can restring one of them...

Edit: I just found a pdf of the show! Looking through now for below-E notes...
 
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Hey, Michael! I am going to be subbing a few dates at Tusculum for their production of Mamma Mia! and I see from some pit bass notes that it calls for a 5 string and a fretless. Questions: How important is the fretless? And I assume the 5 is a low-B - can it be done without the low B?

Hey Jeff Elkins! Congrats on the sub gig! I sent you a private message with some detailed thoughts on playing the show.

I've played it twice now, in 2018 and 2019, and if life and pandemic circumstances allow, hopefully a third time this November (tips hat to @Jeff Roller).

Bottom line is that the original songs were played on 4-string basses, but the arrangements for the musical incorporate low-b notes on several songs which I believe are not in the original keys. (If memory serves- it's been a couple years.) I still say play it on 4 because the majority of the songs are all in 4 range. And skip the fretless, it's only one song.
 
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I use a Peterson strobe tuner and achieve perfect intonation every set up. Including crooked frets!;)

Ah, Link Removed... what can I say. I have always been unduly predisposed to them, starting way back in high school band. My band director owned one of the big Conn Autostrobes, back in the 70's, and I was fascinated by that thing!

I have several now. My first was a StroboFlip, which I got for a bench and setup tuner. People loved those Flips back in the 00's! In 2019, I got a StroboStomp HD for my nascent pedal board, and a StroboPlus HD for the bench. The Stomp is the bomb- has a 9V out jack for chaining in a couple more low-draw pedals, and has a bass sweetener for times when I play with acoustic pianos. It's so easy to see the display on the pedalboard, too.

The StroboPlus has an added bonus over and above being a great bench tuner: It has a metronome and a headphone jack for practice. I'm working on the Ari Cap Patterns book that came out this summer, and it's so nice to be able to plug the bass and phones into the StroboPlus and use the metronome function.

The software in these current models is highly capable. You can create all kinds of tunings and sweetenings for special projects. They can tune just about any instrument out there. It's overkill for just standard bass tuning in a rock band, but it truly is the best tuner out there when a higher level of precision is important.

I have 3 or 4 Planet Waves clip-on tuners too, they have their place- but I usually opt for the luxury of using one of the Petersons, whether on the pedalboard or on amptop in a tuner out jack. They're plush!
 
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Greetings..... Wanted to let you all know that I have some gear for sale if a local transaction is of interest. Latest version Walkabout Scout and a Bergantino ceramic REF112.

For Sale - Bergantino REF 112 Cab

The Walkabout sold to a fellow East TN TB'er. The Bergantino REF ceramic 12" is available and I'm open to offers.
 
Aargh, Richard. Those of us who don't do Google can't see that pic since it's on Google Drive. Can you put it on Talkbass as an upload instead?

Sorry about the P5 neck hump. That's a terrific bass! Is that fixable? What is a heat press, and who around here does that?
 
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Sorry about the P5 neck hump. That's a terrific bass! Is that fixable? What is a heat press, and who around here does that?

No one that I know of offers the service around here. There is a device clamped to the neck that heats the neck to around 150 degrees for an hour or thereabouts while the neck is clamped into a back bow with the truss rod barely engaged. It’s the only method I’ve heard of to save a neck that has a maxed out truss rod.
 
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