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Eb Major scale starting on G?

#142
Now I understand why some people avoid music theory.

I was taking DB lessons from a fantastic instructor, but when it came to music theory, he (conservatory trained) and I (jazz theory trained) spoke different languages. But I think we would agree about the dorian mode of the Major scale.

The m7b9 controversy. Been there, done that with mb6, same deal.

BTW, If you are playing the blues, a great substitution scale scale for the very last V chord in the very last measure measure (I V) is the V b9,#9,b5,b13 which is the altered dominant scale which is the 7th mode of the melodic minor. I always get the stink eye when I play it. It is similat to the half/whole diminshed scale but youy play this over the 7#9b13 chord and the hald whole diminshed over the 13b9 chord.
 
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IamGroot said:
BTW, If you are playing the blues, a great substitution scale scale for the very last V chord in the very last measure measure (I V) is the V b9,#9,b5,b13 which is the altered dominant scale which is the 7th mode of the melodic minor. I always get the stink eye when I play it. It is similat to the half/whole diminshed scale but youy play this over the 7#9b13 chord and the hald whole diminshed over the 13b9 chord.
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Bet that goes down great with the rock players, lol.
 
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Btw, if you play the 7b9, the "complement" fingering is the diminished triad from the b7

Complement of the 7th chord is the diminished triad from the 3rd.
Complement of the m7 chord is the major triad from the b3rd
Complement of the M7 is the minor triad from the 3rd,
etc.

Howard Roberts called these thingies sonic shapes 40 years ago in Guitar Player magazine. Useful to get out of the box
 
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IamGroot said:
Btw, if you play the 7b9, the "complement" fingering is the diminished triad from the b7

Complement of the 7th chord is the diminished triad from the 3rd.
Complement of the m7 chord is the major triad from the b3rd
Complement of the M7 is the minor triad from the 3rd,
etc.

Howard Roberts called these thingies sonic shapes 40 years ago in Guitar Player magazine. Useful to get out of the box
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Trying to get my head around that. How would you explain that to a pianist, the fingering comment puzzled me.

Edit. Ok, you were actually meaning fingering patterns. Cool.
 
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Mark Ambler said:
Any indecent player could play a minor7b9, and I'm in agreement that it's not used
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Lucky, you. You play the piano. The guitar players can't escape it.:hyper:

m7b9 Chord (1, m3, 5, 7, b9) from the Chord Finder for Guitar | American Guitar Encyclopedia
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Listen here for that "never-used" chord.

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It sounds really "nasty" on the piano.
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You know...if you take the G Phrygian scale and change the 3rd from minor to major, you get the Freygish scale which is a really exotic middle eastern sounding scale. I could never remember this scale except as the Phrygian raise 3.

Scale: R b2 3 4 5 b6 b7
Mode: 5th mode of the harmonic minor scale.
Names: Myxolydian b9 b13, Freygish
 
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Mark Ambler said:
I'm thinking you meant 7, yes ? That was what I couldn't work out.
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Yes, I did mean the b7, which brings up a good point.

What do you call the b7?

Can you just call it the 7 and say Maj 7 to distinguish it from the flat 7. Or do you always have to say flat 7? I also took to calling it the dom 7, which was incorrect since most people think of the V7 as the dom 7.
I avoid saying minor 7 and minor 6, becasue that implies a chord rather than an altered note.
 
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IamGroot said:
Yes, I did mean the b7, which brings up a good point.

What do you call the b7?

Can you just call it the 7 and say Maj 7 to distinguish it from the flat 7. Or do you always have to say flat 7? I also took to calling it the dom 7, which was incorrect since most people think of the V7 as the dom 7.
I avoid saying minor 7 and minor 6, becasue that implies a chord rather than an altered note.
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Yep, this can be a bit of a minefield. My understanding is that 7 written in chord symbols always = b7, so it's presumed that a 7 is b7. As you had written min7b9 and then referred to a b7 I was initially thrown, but realised what you meant relatively quickly, (it's been a long, long day).

So yes, I would just call the b7 a 7. After all if we want to have a natural 7, we write Maj 7. I tend to use a small m for minor and Maj, so there shouldn't be any confusion if someones sight-reading.
 

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