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EBay Harmony H22 $1700

I just glanced at EBay today and someone is trying to sell a Harmony H22 for over $1700

There's another one for $800.

Now I like semi-acoustic old basses as much as the next guy, but what is going on here? I'd pay $250 for one and that's it. I guess that's why I'll never have one.

Have they become like the next holy grail of instrument collecting or something? An investment like the rumoured Japanese zillionaire's warehouse of '57 Stats?

I'm sure they sound nice, but $1700?

They don't have a truss rod do they? And the tuners are known to be dodgy.
 
It is still a budget made bass and that's all it is ever going to be. Yes a few famous bass players in the 60's played these things but it won't change the fact that it's a vintage budget bass. As for collectors it's pretty much how much money they are willing to spend that determines the market value, even on the old Harmony's and Kay's which have been on the rise as of late. For me $1700 is too high; for that kind of cash I'd be looking at 70's era Fender and Gibson stuff which can still be found cheaply enough. For that matter some of the late 50's Gibson EB semi hollow body basses can be found for under two grand here and there.
 
$1700 is idiotic for that bass IMO.

One can still find a late '70's Fender P for that kind of cash or a late 60's/early '70's Gibson and have money left over.

It kills me that some of the old "vintage" Japanese instruments are getting so expensive. Jack White starts playing an Airline and they go from $300 to $2000 overnight. Craziness!
 
H22 was my first bass. I bought it new from May's Music in Lackawanna NY back in 1965 for $109. It was a mediocre bass. It did the job but wasn't my first choice. The only real value I could see in one now is for nostalgia's sake.
 
I bought one for $750 about a year ago, and it has got air time on nearly every session I've done since. The dearmond pickup in those things sounds AMAZING - incredibly warm, round, and LOUD. They definitely feel like they were made to be sold at a supermarket (compared to a vintage fender/guild/gibson - probably not the most road-worthy instruments, but fine for the studio) but they have a certain sound, which (I think) is incredible. People are starting to cotton on to harmony basses - still reasonably cheap (compared to same age Fenders etc), but they offer something unique tonally. I'd grab that $800 in a flash if you were looking for something different. $1700 seems a little steep now, but in a couple of years, who knows? Having said that, $1700 for a bass which you're going to use day in/day out, whilst loving every minute of it, seems kind of cheap!
 
I played one at a jam shortly after I first moved to Vancouver in 1986.

I admit that it had some awful thuddy tape-wound strings or something on it, but it wasn't that nice to play and sounded like mud.

If it was mine though ....
 
I saw that a day or so ago, $1795 + s/h.

The price is high, but given the condition of the bass and the condition of the case (crappy cases are as rare as hens' teeth) he might get it. I've seen very nice ones bring around $1200. Usually they're about 6-900.

If the one you played wasn't nice to play, it needed a setup or had a bad neck. Those things can be VERY fast playing basses. As far as the sound it might have been because of the pickup to string height and/or strings.
 
I believe the reason the price is set so high is because of the type of auction it is. The seller deliberately set it that high and is asking for offers rather than bids to be made. I'm not sure what the technical reasoning is behind it or how this type of auction works...

Anyway, it would be a ridiculous price to ask straight out for this type of bass unless perhaps the bass was in absolute untouched mint condition (like new). On eBay, H22's regulary sell for over twice as much as they are really worth. I am in the market for one and have been frustrated for months now.
 
I have a Harmony h22/1 that i bought last year after i fell inlove with the tone of ronnie wood while in the small faces. The thing is amazing! I never played a hollow body bass that good and i've played most of the popular ones (rivoli, hofner beatle bass, eb2, vox bill wyman). The bass could rock out with the best of em' and it could also give u a classic upright tone. I'm inlove with these basses theyre just great. However i dont understand why the new h22's go for so much, if i was to spend that much i'd get a vintage one....sure, maybe it feels a bit cheaper, but it's the original tone machine.
 
You mean Ronnie Lane the bassist in the Small Faces?

Ron Wood did not play bass in that group. After playing bass with Jeff Beck, he played guitar in The Faces, a later group that Lane was also the bassist in.
 
$1700 is idiotic for that bass IMO.

One can still find a late '70's Fender P for that kind of cash or a late 60's/early '70's Gibson and have money left over.

It kills me that some of the old "vintage" Japanese instruments are getting so expensive. Jack White starts playing an Airline and they go from $300 to $2000 overnight. Craziness!

+1

Gotta say it: Airlines, Kays, and Harmony's (and their common Kin) were the low end stuff in their day (early 60's), and for good reason. Muddy or honky tone, cheap construction, poor fret and finish work, lots of plastic with poor (IMHO) design aesthetics, etc., etc., etc.--don't get me started on Kent, Kingston, Teisco, etc.---but they are all collectable now, of course! :eek: :eek: :eek:

Ah.... Nostalgia. It ain't what it used to be! :D :D :D
 
I own one. Crappy construction, etc, but unfreakingbelievable wide range high output PUPs. Very cool sound with rounds or flat, no mud at all.

You know, it could be so--"no mud," that is. Most of my experience with these basses was when I could barely play (1963-64), and my pal who had one had a homemade 2x15 cab and a 50 watt Dynaco tube amp. His band rocked, though!

It's single coil, so wide range is not too surprising. What are you stringing it with? :cool:
 
I've got light gauge Chromes on it at the moment. I didn't want to file the very narrow wooden bridge slots so I tried these out and they work fine. There were very old nickel rounds on it when I bought it, and it was still way too bright for me, especially up in the high mids. The Chromes keep a lot of the brightness without the ringy top. I've never tried a set myself, but from everything I hear I bet TI flats would be perfect for this bass (BTW, these basses take regular long scale strings).

I really only play it for fun at the moment, as the bass is just too widely voiced for my band. Very BIG lows, almost overwhelming, but not very punchy. It's a very unusual tone, between the big hollow body, and these very widely voiced PUPs, and it takes up a lot of sonic real estate. A friend of mine who only plays old Kays told me these were notorious for shredding speakers in the past.
 
You are wise, IMHO, to use those lights. They present less of a tension load on older basses. I have Chrome XL lights on my '55 P-bass. It sounds and feels great. TI flats work well, too.

Do you play the your H22 with a pick? How do you set the switch?
 
I tried TI flats on mine and found them to be too floppy. It has a set of LaBella DT 760S (.045"-.105") which work just fine. The 29 3/4" scale length goes a long way in reducing the tension.
 
Greetings from the North,

Ah...HAHAHaHAha.......ahem.. Maybe it's true that there is a sucker borne every minute,especially if it sells for that amount. My 1st bass teacher had one for his students and from what I recall the quality and sound wasn't all that great. At the time I had a Harmony P bass copy as a learner bass so I got rather acquainted with Harmony gear. I think nostalgia has a way of twisting around some people's values and perceptions.

And that's not meant to be a put down to those that own and love 'em, but then again I'm sure that they were purchased at a reasonable price.:-)

Rezdog
 
You are wise, IMHO, to use those lights. They present less of a tension load on older basses. I have Chrome XL lights on my '55 P-bass. It sounds and feels great. TI flats work well, too.

Do you play the your H22 with a pick? How do you set the switch?

The other advantage of the light strings is the difficulty of getting a heavier set of flats through the bridge holes and around the tuner posts (flimsy guitar types with plastic heads). I was able to at first, but didn't want to screw up the heavier gauge flats by kinking them at the 2 + 2 tuner positions (you can't get much wrap around the posts), so I tried the lighter ones instead.

I play it fingerstyle mostly, fairly close to the neck. Farther back you get real close to the bridge very quickly and can't sound notes properly.
I'm not a fan of the hollowbody/short scale/picked sound, but if you wanted a Chas Chandler vibe this bass would deliver, I think.

Switch open, without the choke (or whatever it is). With it engaged it sounds too thin, but might be useful for playing with amplified acoustic guitars, for example.

I'd love to hear what the two PUP model sounds like.

I pulled it out last night because of this thread, and realized again how dark the tone is, while being quite open and airy at the same time. There are a lot of throaty mids in there, too. Like I said, I just play it for fun at home (and on business trips, because I can play it in hotel rooms without amplification), and haven't found a musical situation for it yet. If I was in a blues band I'd have a blast with it. I think feedback might be a problem at reggae levels, not sure, and in any case my Jazz with flats covers that gig too well.

Rezdog, you are right about nostalgia, and you'd have to have some real rosy glasses to argue that these were ever quality basses. Tonally, on the other hand, they are unique, in a good way, but not cheap sounding by any stretch of the imagination.

But the value of any half decent instrument, especially rarer ones, from a few decades back, is not going anywhere but up in the long term, and I've never lost a penny by buying used, and then selling if I get tired of an instrument or can't find a use for it. I've even payed a bit over contemporary market value for some of them, but the market is so crazy a year eats up the difference anyway. So in the end I've been able to feed my GAS and basslust painlessly, and at the same time I'm happier with my keepers, because, well, I've kept them.

It's perfect situation, like being happily married but allowed to screw the babysitter (or in this case the cleaning woman).

I have played an old Harmony P copy, and that did sound like poo, being stepped on.