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eBay/PayPal ripoff conspiracy

#41
Rattman said:
I am totally against EVER using PayPal for anything... Nor would I buy or sell an instrument sight-unseen via eBay... But that's just me.. Craigslist is the way to really "be sure" for both buyer and seller alike. Sorry you lost your claims case.. plus they snubbed your evidence too.
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Here's another PayPal factoid: If you have both a bank account and a CC# on file with them (I have a separate bank account that I use for eBay/PayPal exclusively; I'm not giving them the keys to my main account) and you buy something, the confirmation page will tell you that if your bank account doesn't have enough funds in it that the charge will roll over to your CC. 'Tain't so; PP will overdraw your account.
 
#43
Engine207 said:
When the claim went to PayPal, they refused to even look at my receipt from the set-up, disregarded that the auction explicitly stated "no returns accepted", and didn't even ask him in what manner it was "not accurately described" or "internally damaged".
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Yep, it's definitely "caveat vendor" on eBay/PayPal. The rules are gradually shifting to give the buyer enormous control over the transactions. Sellers can no longer leave negative feedback for buyers. And the listing and seller fees keep going up. It is increasingly frustrating for sellers, especially those who make a living on eBay, but for us "once in awhile" sellers as well.

Basically, listing on eBay/PayPal is a risk for the seller. Someone can buy something, decide for any reason they really don't want to go through with the transaction, and leave you holding the bag on the shipping, seller fees, etc.
 
#45
Same thing kinda happened to me with a worse ending...

i sold a Marshall Jubilee head on ebay, 3560 model number. I was paid for the amp, with shipping. I boxed the amplifier up, and sent it on it's way. It arrives, and I was told the amplifier was damaged. He sent pictures of the amplifier, and showed it was thrown around in shipping.

I had insured the amplifier for MORE THAN THE SELLING COST plus shipping. It was a simple case of return the box to the post office, and you are good to go.

Well, the USPS got involved in the scam. He signed for the package, and allowed the mail man to leave. He was to inspect the package before signing for it. So the Insurance which was purchased was thrown out...

Then he filed a charge back thru paypal. He won. I filed for an appeal with the creditcard company, as the return policy stated he was to return the amplifier for a full refund.

His MOMS credit card company won. My account was frozen, and I was screwed out of $500. I filed a suit with the CC company, and lost that as well. I was suing them for knowingly participating in fraud.

So, I am out court costs, $500 for the amp, the amp, shipping cost, insurance costs, and materials, on a rare Marshall Jubilee Bass head...

Sometimes these things happen.
 
#47
I had an evil eBay buyer who, after receiving my $2,000 item, waited three weeks, then filed a claim without ever contacting me, saying he never received it. Luckily I had the documentation I needed and after a prolonged wait eBay ruled in my favor, redeposited the funds into my PayPal account, and closed out his account (he's probably back under a different name).

I've actually had worse luck with UPS dropping or crushing stuff and then refusing to pay me a nickel.
 
#48
I find Ebay really useful for finding all sorts of stuff. One thing that bugs me with p@ypal (as above) is that it's the buyer that gets the coverage and the seller pays for the privilege. Problem is that nobody comes close to offering all that you can find on eb@y... for the moment anyway.
 
#49
JxBass said:
I had an evil eBay buyer who, after receiving my $2,000 item, waited three weeks, then filed a claim without ever contacting me, saying he never received it. Luckily I had the documentation I needed and after a prolonged wait eBay ruled in my favor, redeposited the funds into my PayPal account, and closed out his account (he's probably back under a different name).

I've actually had worse luck with UPS dropping or crushing stuff and then refusing to pay me a nickel.
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I know a friend of mine who has a shop and sells guitars - he had a buyer wait 6 MONTHS to file a claim that the instrument was broken after he received it - 6 MONTHS after!!!

It was a $10,000 Rickenbacker guitar or something ridiculous - so one day the owner of the shop had $10,000 missing from his account out of NOWHERE - it was finally overturned, like weeks later after much legal battle, but the fact that it even happened is insane!
 
#51
I can tell you from my first hand experience, I HATE PAYPAL and all their "Policies". They say they are to protect the buyer, but they really punish the seller. When I was buying and selling on E-bay, I would sell things and not take PayPal for this reason. the buyer was always correct no matter what! I would only use PayPal to buy things because I know I can trust myself. It is total BS that sleezebay has gone to following the policies just the same, but then again, they are the same company...
I rarely ever sell on E-bay any longer especially since the now REQUIRE PayPal for payment and NO cash (money order) is allowed to be taken.
 
#54
Kenny Allyn said:
I still use ebay but not much these days ...

I shipped a guy a Strat last year and he pulled the "not as described" thing on me (it was described perfectly BTW) I offered a FULL refund which I paid and he never shipped the guitar back, he even sent me an email telling me he was using it as a jab! ... I'm out the refund and the guitar plus he left me Negative feedback! I had all of the documentation and ebay still sided with the buyer. I was told by an ebay supervisor after two months of trying to work this out that I would need to file a lawsuit to have the negative changed!

The buyers have figured this system out and use it extort sellers. Also the new combined ebay/Paypal sellers fees will suck the profit from about any sale.
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I rest my case...
 
#56
kaputsport said:
Same thing kinda happened to me with a worse ending...
Well, the USPS got involved in the scam. He signed for the package, and allowed the mail man to leave. He was to inspect the package before signing for it. So the Insurance which was purchased was thrown out...

...Then he filed a charge back thru paypal. He won. I filed for an appeal with the creditcard company, as the return policy stated he was to return the amplifier for a full refund.

His MOMS credit card company won. My account was frozen, and I was screwed out of $500. I filed a suit with the CC company, and lost that as well. I was suing them for knowingly participating in fraud.

So, I am out court costs, $500 for the amp, the amp, shipping cost, insurance costs, and materials, on a rare Marshall Jubilee Bass head...

Sometimes these things happen.
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So, on what grounds did you lose the case and the lawsuit?

kaputsport said:
Check out the add on the top of the page....
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Sick irony...
 
#59
This is all part of Ebay's master plan. They don't want the small private sellers that built them up to where they are are today. They want merchants with online stores. The higher selling fees and buyer is always right PayPal policy are designed to drive the small private sellers away. They have created a great opportunity for someone to launch a new auction site that caters to small sellers. I hope that someone with the resouces to do it realizes this.
 

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