Eddie Kramer on pedals.

[254 stringer]

That is the difference between a hobbyist and a professional. As I stated before your comments make statements about your professionalism.

As do yours. Thanks for the replies

 

[Mr. voodoobass]

Don't forget bands like tool, my bloody valentine, dinosaur jr, bardo pond, minus the bear, mars volta or mogwai if we're talking big big boards and making it work beautifully.

Then again, sometimes i find myself rehearsing plugging straight into the amp. Just to have a reality check once in a while.
And it all depends on what the music calls for, and that's how i see what Kramer is talking about.
That documentary "it might get loud" shows it excellently. How some songs need a big rack and another only a guitar and amp or whatever.
No right or wrong with either way.
Well carry on...

 

[Fuzzbass]

Don't forget bands like tool, my bloody valentine, dinosaur jr, bardo pond, minus the bear, mars volta or mogwai if we're talking big big boards and making it work beautifully.

Then again, sometimes i find myself rehearsing plugging straight into the amp. Just to have a reality check once in a while.
And it all depends on what the music calls for, and that's how i see what Kramer is talking about.
That documentary "it might get loud" shows it excellently. How some songs need a big rack and another only a guitar and amp or whatever.
No right or wrong with either way.
Well carry on...

Exactly.

Say a guitarist is using no effects, and has terrible tone. It would be illogical to say "under-production is a terrible thing, that dude should be using effects". Maybe he just needs to figure out how to use EQ. Point being: if a musician sounds terrible/overproduced when using FX, it isn't the FX fault: the musician should learn how to use them properly, or perhaps learn how to choose them properly.

Remember that old SWR Mo' Bass amp with onboard FX? I couldn't get good tone from it when I demoed it. Then another bassist plugged into it, tweaked knobs, and got amazing effected tones.

 

[CHILDISHGAMBINO]

If you don't do it the way I do you're wrong. You kids get of my God damned lawn!

 

[wintremute]

This thread reminds me of what Pink Floyd said in their Pompeii movie.

 

[nshuman]

This thread reminds me of what Pink Floyd said in their Pompeii movie.

What does Pink FLoyd know about making music that people care about? *sarcasm*

 

[NoxNoctus]

What does Pink FLoyd know about making music that people care about? *sarcasm*

They would've sounded so much better with out all dem FX.

 

[JimmyM]

I think what's been lost in all this is this comment from Eddie:

"There’s a bunch of guys who do the pedal board so bloody well and their music is still cool, so you can’t really make that accusation."

 

[FretNoMore]

I think what's been lost in all this is this comment from Eddie:

"There’s a bunch of guys who do the pedal board so bloody well and their music is still cool, so you can’t really make that accusation."

It's a kind of grudging acceptance though; that "still" indicates he thinks the music is cool despite the pedalboards, not because of them, so the bias against effects is there.

 

[JimmyM]

It's a kind of grudging acceptance though; that "still" indicates he thinks the music is cool despite the pedalboards, not because of them, so the bias against effects is there.

Dude worked with Hendrix...I don't think there's much of an anti-effects bias there. Just the usual "time and place" comments IMHO.