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Eden amps and Marshall

Hi,

Im about to buy an Eden WT550 with a D410XLT cab but wanted to ask you guys if they became reliable since Marshall took over from US Music Corporation. That is from 2011 until now.

I know that the ones build before 2011 were Made in China and came with a lot of issues, but now i think they are Made in USA. Do you guys know anything about that?
 
The D cabs have always been built in USA and still are. The 550 has been made in China for a while. Marshall has improved the quality. If you are getting them used the ones with problems have been fixed or are in the trash. If there are any problems it would just be because of old electronics, just like any other amp you read about on TB that need a little love after years of service. Enjoy it, that is a great rig that will do almost anything.
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Hi,

Im about to buy an Eden WT550 with a D410XLT cab but wanted to ask you guys if they became reliable since Marshall took over from US Music Corporation. That is from 2011 until now.

I know that the ones build before 2011 were Made in China and came with a lot of issues, but now i think they are Made in USA. Do you guys know anything about that?

American Eden manufacturing was actually the flawed process, the Chinese sorted out a bunch of issues the Americans couldn't. This flies directly in the face of TB's raging Sinophobia, however, so you do not hear about it too much.
 
American Eden manufacturing was actually the flawed process, the Chinese sorted out a bunch of issues the Americans couldn't. This flies directly in the face of TB's raging Sinophobia, however, so you do not hear about it too much.

Having used US made Eden gear for more than 10 years, I beg to differ. I currently use a USA WT 330 in a CXC110 cab with a D112XLT cab, which has been my main rig for over 10 years with no failures. I also like my Italian made MarkBass 801, so I am not afraid of non-US made equipment.
 
Any of the last gen WTs except perhaps the WT1205 are mighty fine amps (and 2 ohm capable) if lead sleds don't bother you.

WT405, WT550, WT800 are all great amps.

In the chaos of the US Music/Marshall deal, where everything seemed to go bad during the manufacturing transition, things got pretty grotty. Outside that period of time both the US and Chinese produced amps seem to be doing fine.
 
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Having used US made Eden gear for more than 10 years, I beg to differ. I currently use a USA WT 330 in a CXC110 cab with a D112XLT cab, which has been my main rig for over 10 years with no failures. I also like my Italian made MarkBass 801, so I am not afraid of non-US made equipment.

I am not doubting you have a great piece of reliable Eden gear from that era but the US line did have a lot of problems prior to shipping manufacturing offshore, problems that were rectified by the Chinese manufacturing team. They cannot all be duds. Do some digging around on the Eden forums, they talk about the improvements over there (usually in response to somebody freaking out about moving production to China.)
 
I have been borrowing a friends D410XLT (I owned one about 8 years ago) and using it with my new to me WT-550 and it has sounded superb! After all my Eden stuff was stolen back then I've gone through several brands and have finally come back to the sound I enjoy most. It's not light weight, and it's not new so I guess you'd say it's not cool, but mine won't be going anywhere. My bandmates wouldn't let me sell it if I tried either!
 
I am not doubting you have a great piece of reliable Eden gear from that era but the US line did have a lot of problems prior to shipping manufacturing offshore, problems that were rectified by the Chinese manufacturing team. They cannot all be duds. Do some digging around on the Eden forums, they talk about the improvements over there (usually in response to somebody freaking out about moving production to China.)

I've been on the Eden forum daily since 2006. The Eden amps made in Montrose, Minnesota prior to the move to Mundelein, Illinois were solid. After the move to Mundelein, they were still solidly built with very low defect rate. These were all Made in USA amps. The Nemesis series were made in China and they were also solid. Then just prior to the move offshore, there was a decided up-tick in problems with Mundelein manufacture. Don't know if it was personnel changes, people retiring, lack of quality inspection before shipment or what, but defect incident incidence went up considerably. These defects manifested upon delivery or very shortly thereafter. Eden fixed them but it was a pain for customers and a black-eye for a brand that had become known for toughness and reliability. Since they already had a quality manufacturer in China making the Eden Nemesis amps, it was a fairly quick and simple move to have the gold-faced amps made their too. Quality has always been excellent on "made in China" amps.

There was no difference in design or parts when the move was made to China, but strict quality control standards and product inspection (as well as ongoing on-site inspection by Eden staff) has maintained the high quality Eden has been known for. Later changes to the design of the amps was made by Eden, not by Chinese manufacturing and most of those have been cooling and protection circuitry improvements. Basically the guts of the WT series have remained the same as David designed them.

This year Eden came out with the WT Pro series (WTP). These are really the first major design changes in amps since David left the company. Besides the normal 12ax7 tube in the impedance section of the amp that gives them the characteristic warm "clean" sound, they now include a second 12ax7 tube which is in the gain section. They included separate controls for both the gain level and the mix of this gain tube to the sound, which definitely offers some new sound options. Additionally they included an adjustable compressor (both threshold and ratio) similar to the one found on the Eden Navigator preamp. And then just to make sure you don't screw up the ohms load on them the outputs will automatically switch from parallel to serial connections if your ohms load with 2 or more cabinets is below the minimum the amp can handle - so more safety measures too.

Knowing all that, as Armin so succinctly put it - Eden of any year!

Dan
 
I've been on the Eden forum daily since 2006. The Eden amps made in Montrose, Minnesota prior to the move to Mundelein, Illinois were solid. After the move to Mundelein, they were still solidly built with very low defect rate. These were all Made in USA amps. The Nemesis series were made in China and they were also solid. Then just prior to the move offshore, there was a decided up-tick in problems with Mundelein manufacture. Don't know if it was personnel changes, people retiring, lack of quality inspection before shipment or what, but defect incident incidence went up considerably. These defects manifested upon delivery or very shortly thereafter. Eden fixed them but it was a pain for customers and a black-eye for a brand that had become known for toughness and reliability. Since they already had a quality manufacturer in China making the Eden Nemesis amps, it was a fairly quick and simple move to have the gold-faced amps made their too. Quality has always been excellent on "made in China" amps.

There was no difference in design or parts when the move was made to China, but strict quality control standards and product inspection (as well as ongoing on-site inspection by Eden staff) has maintained the high quality Eden has been known for. Later changes to the design of the amps was made by Eden, not by Chinese manufacturing and most of those have been cooling and protection circuitry improvements. Basically the guts of the WT series have remained the same as David designed them.

This year Eden came out with the WT Pro series (WTP). These are really the first major design changes in amps since David left the company. Besides the normal 12ax7 tube in the impedance section of the amp that gives them the characteristic warm "clean" sound, they now include a second 12ax7 tube which is in the gain section. They included separate controls for both the gain level and the mix of this gain tube to the sound, which definitely offers some new sound options. Additionally they included an adjustable compressor (both threshold and ratio) similar to the one found on the Eden Navigator preamp. And then just to make sure you don't screw up the ohms load on them the outputs will automatically switch from parallel to serial connections if your ohms load with 2 or more cabinets is below the minimum the amp can handle - so more safety measures too.

Knowing all that, as Armin so succinctly put it - Eden of any year!

Dan

Hi Dan. Yep that's it, in a (large) nutshell.
My '97 WT400 still going strong and my Montrose '08 WT800C is a workhorse. Love them both.