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Eden was just purchased by Marshall

#65
LiquidMidnight said:
+1

For all this "Screw Eden" rhetoric, has there actually been a decline in the quality of the gear? Are bass players really that susceptable to branding, marketing, and image? "Like OMG, David N. is affliated with the company no more! Eden totally sux now!"
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That is a very short sighted statement.
People left Eden after being loyal for a long time to a great company with great products.
However, the quality did considerably decline.....customer service became a joke ....and we were lied to about products and services. It became a nightmare.
If you search the whole story and the frustrations people went through, then expect a great deal of skepticism .
 
#66
I'm not sure what to think of this yet. I think it's good that the company is being put with a name like Marshall. My amp experiences don't go that far, but I played through a rather inexpensive Eden head (Nemesis, maybe?) and it seemed nice enough. I don't understand amps and how you guys go about deciding the good ones from the bad, but from my experience, Eden is nice. Now with a big amp brand backing them, I can't see this is a bad thing.
 
#67
murphy said:
That is a very short sighted statement.
People left Eden after being loyal for a long time to a great company with great products.
However, the quality did considerably decline.....customer service became a joke ....and we were lied to about products and services. It became a nightmare.
If you search the whole story and the frustrations people went through, then expect a great deal of skepticism .
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I admit that I was being hyperbolic. :p The decline in CS is definitely something worth taking your money somewhere else over. As far as Eden lying: I'm not ready to join the OWS movement, but I also don't expect corporations to be leaders in ethics - especially a company the size of Eden. I know; that's pretty cynical. I own an E300T, which is one of the products that was missrepresented. It was supposed to be a pure Eden design, but then it was discovered to be from the same pedigree as a number of other Asian-made tube amps, like Fame. It was definitely a lame part on Eden, but I dig the amp.

I'm not saying that stuff didn't hurt Eden's branding. I'm saying that people may be putting too much emphasis on branding to begin with. If you dig the product, cool. If you don't dig it, that's fine as well. :bassist:
 
#71
I know that Murderface has the "endorsement", but is his sound the Eden sound? Because for all this talk of the "Eden sound" I've heard so much about, I know nothing of it. For bass, I know the ampeg sound, a few fender sounds, marshall, Mesa, Markbass, GK, but Eden has always been an utter mystery to me, sound-wise. I guess it's supposed to be an articulate, bassy, punchy sound?
 
#72
This certainly won't hurt Eden, though that's not saying much with their current state of affairs. However, consider the enumerated changes:

o Eden will now be able to take advantage of Marshall’s vast distribution network in Europe and throughout the rest of the world.

o Eden will remain its own entity completely separate from Marshall.

o Eden will keep its USA identity and more of Eden’s manufacturing will return from off shore back to the United States.

o U.S. Music Corp. will remain the Eden distributor for North America.

o Key members of the Eden team will continue to work for Eden.

If you think about that beyond the face value shock of "Eden is now owned by Marshall", what is really going on? Nothing. Aside from saying they'll bring back "more of production from off-shore to the US", it seems that the only thing that will be different is that Eden will be promoted more heavily throughout Europe. Anyone disagree?
 
#75
The Eden website has listed a number of the newer models that have now been discontinued. Only amps surviving are the WT1205, WT800, WT550, & the Navigator preamp. WTX500 & WTX264 lightweights also survived.

All the black-faced models are gone & some of their EN series amps too.
 
#76
It just seems that once these small innovative companies are sold to a large company and produced in china its all over. The only reason they are purchased is to exploit the brand as much as possible before anyone realizes its not the same anymore. Its just buisness. The same thing will probably happen to aguilar, GK, and mesa. The same can't really be said of trace elliot, it seems peavey is pretty committed to producing them in the US to ensure quality, but I dont think they'r marketing the brand effectively and need mre product development. I think the end is near for trace unfortunatly.
 
#77
Bassflute said:
got to A/B a Heritage SVT and an 8x10 side by side against a Vietnamese one - tried every configuration. The Heritage was in a whole other league, and sounded GREAT. The Vietnamese one stank....sorry. Sounded old, farty, and weak.

It's a bit of everything - the parts, the manufacturing quality, etc. It all makes a bit of difference, leading up to quite a BIG difference.

Cheers,
Cameron
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'Ya gotta wonder, then, why they still try to get this kind of $$$ for an import:

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Regarding Trace, they are now under the Peavey umbrella:

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...and I'm beginning to think Peavey really doesn't know what to do with "divisions". Trace, IMO, was one of the best sounding bass amps ever produced, yet their place in the bass community has gone down, down, down. We all know Gibson (who owned them formerly) is kinda clueless in marketing (unless they buy then outsource, & sell cheap) but I was hopeful Peavey would revive this once-great brand, but apparently not.

What does all this have to do with Marshall/Eden? Not much, except that a once-great brand, that was outsourced, has been purchased by another once-great company that is mostly outsourced. I would hope Marshall does for Eden what they stated they intended to do, but I wouldn't bet the house on it. Best case scenario: they follow Ampeg's lead and build/assemble 1 decent line of amps (at outlandish prices) in the US.

The more I read threads like this, the happier I am that I chose Carvin for my amps.
 
#80
Regardless of who owns them now, which looks like US Music with a Marshall face mask....I've pretty much done "musical bass amps" for the past two years and ended up back at the spot marked Eden. I tried every other manufacturer mentioned in this thread plus 3 or 4 others and whatever I tried did not float my boat.

I'm happy sporting a very mint '96 Navigator with a Peavey IPR1600 and just added a WT-550. I did not go back to Eden speakers, but I'm very happy with my rig these days. Did I mention how bad the resale is on used Eden gear, I got a heck of a deal on my WT-550! I'd love to snag a WT-800 or maybe even a WT-1205.

It would be great if Eden could pull up from what looks to be a for sure nose dive but I am not holding my breath. Until then I will enjoy the low resale value and have a couple of killer Eden amp based rigs!
 

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