• TalkBass has been independent since 1998. Add your voice.
    Create a free account to reply to discussions, view embedded media, and browse with fewer display ads.
    Join free Log in
    Want zero display ads or expanded classifieds tools? Compare plans.

EH Tubes are GONE?

#8
Matt H said:
tpylons- how did you know that matthews one? has this actually been written up anywhere? or is it just net hearsay?
Click to expand...
Net heresy for now. Supposedly there's some official statement coming soon. I heard from a guy who heard from a reliable source or somethin.

I just have my fingers crossed. Mike Matthews is my hero.
 
#10
D.A.R.K. said:
interesting thing about this is the reason that the factory has to be in russia is because of lax enviornmental laws....apparently tube production is horrible for the enviornment due to emissions.
and if i'm not mistaken, don't they also manufacture tubes in china?
Click to expand...

Transistor production is MUCH worse. Tubes aren't really that bad environmentally, just extremely labor intensive. Large scale tube production ended in the US in 1995 and even now there are a few small-run manufacturers here making audio and transmitter tubes.

RE: Saratov. Mike will probably win if he hasn't already. That 'real estate' consortium has been muscling lots of people in that area out of their land, but Mike Matthews and the real hard foreign currency that he represents are worth far more to the area than whatever influence they have.
 
#12
from what I gather, tube construction isn't any worse than transistort production- there's just "no money" in tube production (it's a niche market... compare that with semiconductors? yowza).

another problem is simply the machinery- there haven't been any updates to the machines that make tubes- the reflektor plant has been cranking since what, 1953 i think? chances are it's all originally machinery. in addition to plant space and appropriate machines- a lot of chemicals need to be supplied. from what I heard, things like pipes carrying pure elements and whatnot. (i really don't know- this is totally just repeating what i've heard and half forgotten at 4am while working on a term paper)

the labor issue could be seriously reduced if modern production methods were used. however, that would involve designing and building all new machinery using modern processes and reducing the number of humans required to produce one tube.
 
#15
also, "won what?"

record states there was an administration hearing, not an actual lawsuit.

word's out from other tube dealers now about this.(whom i'd actually trust on this one, but still understand it being hearsay... oh, tplyons, "heresy" will get you burned at the stake... heheh)

anyway- it just means that the power wont get cut off on january first, but offers no long term protection, nor does it prevent people from threatening employees into not going to the plant...

step in the right direction? sure- but far from a real "victory".
 
#17
Psycho Bass Guy said:
Transistor production is MUCH worse. Tubes aren't really that bad environmentally, just extremely labor intensive. Large scale tube production ended in the US in 1995 and even now there are a few small-run manufacturers here making audio and transmitter tubes.
Click to expand...

just did some web research, apparently, i was completely wrong,
the factories are overseas for production cost reasons.
that's what i get for listening to a guitar player!
sorry for the missinfo, i'll resarch first next time. duh.
doug
 
#19
I e-mailed Mike Matthews asking him about it. Here is what he said:
Mike Matthews said:
We won 2 key battles and will not be shut down in near future for SURE. However the battle rages on... but we are ahead of the curve.

It's Rock & Roll vs Racketeering and you can be sure that Rock & Roll will prevail.


Mike
Click to expand...
Well, that is straight from the horse's mouth. I think we all can relax a little bit now.
 

Latest posts

Top Bottom
Back