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Elon Musk as educator

This is a blinding gloss of what Musk has done since buying Twitter. Musk's actions at Twitter/X have demonstrated plainly that he is NOT a genius, unless tanking a company's value by billions of dollars and losing users in droves is genius (maybe it is, I'm sure he's going to take a massive tax write-off).

I can't prove this, but I strongly suspect that Musk bought Twitter on a whim simply because he was personally irritated by what they were doing and decided to take over the company just to have the personal satisfaction of running the company on his own terms.

I doubt that he gives a rat's behind if TwitterX goes broke tomorrow. It's true that he can declare bankruptcy, restructure its debt to offset a lot of the money he spent to purchase it, sell off the remains, and walk away satisfied.

But the bigger picture is that we're comparing apples to oranges to tomatoes, to broccoli here. Musk has been involved in software, electric cars, space rockets, deep tunnel travel, social media, and other ventures, with varying degrees of success (or lack thereof) in each.

What he's going to able to achieve in creating a technical engineering type college is anybody's guess.
 
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My understanding is there is one big practical problem with the Tesla truck- the body isn't made from pieces, so if it get dented, you can't replace the fender or whatever, you have to replace the entire body.


Kind of like the Karmann Ghia. You had the doors, the hood, the trunk lid, and the rest of the body was all one piece.
 
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I wonder if Elon Musk likes burritos.

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I can't prove this, but I strongly suspect that Musk bought Twitter on a whim simply because he was personally irritated by what they were doing and decided to take over the company just to have the personal satisfaction of running the company on his own terms.

I doubt that he gives a rat's behind if TwitterX goes broke tomorrow. It's true that he can declare bankruptcy, restructure its debt to offset a lot of the money he spent to purchase it, sell off the remains, and walk away satisfied.

If this is a defense of Musk, I'm not sure it's a terribly effective or positive one. I'm not sure a spiteful technocrat who would destroy a company and the jobs of so many people purely for his vanity and satisfaction is someone that should be admired and emulated and in charge of any type of education. But hey, different strokes.
 
I'm absolutely no fan of Musk. What's in question here, though, is not him running the education system, but him endowing a private school/university. That's a venerable tradition; a great many US private schools, colleges and universities bear the names of their tycoon donors, people who often are forgotten except in the names of the schools they launched. Not many people today know much about Leland Stanford, Elihu Yale, or John and Moses Brown, though Andrew Carnegie and John and Andrew Mellon may be slightly better known. If anything, I'd take it - cautiously - as a positive sign, that one of our contemporary tycoons might actually launch a project for the common good like that.

"Cautiously," though, because I don't have a whole lot of confidence in Musk to carry this off well. He may be good at tech and entrepreneurship; that doesn't make him good at everything, and he doesn't seem the type to really grasp what's needed for a great educational institution. The same attitude that makes a tech innovator successful, the conviction that their doodad is the "wave of the future" and breaking the mold of existing ways of doing things, can also lead to a very narrow-minded focus on their own preoccupations, and difficulty taking into account the rich diversity of views, experiences, methodologies and disciplines that make for a thriving learning community. The whole concept of the term "university" is precisely that universality - that it brings together in one institution so many different pursuits and approaches.

I cringe a little at the prospect of STEM-focused schools like the primary/secondary school that's reportedly supposed to grow into a university here. Two reasons for the cringe; one is that I'm an historian and narrow-minded obsession with STEM education can undercut valuable humanities education, that IMO are absolutely essential to cultivating a lifelong learning attitude and general humane understanding of life.

The other is that, when I was in grad school, I taught Latin in a charter school (this was early 2000s). I believed in the vision of that school and in the potential of the charter school movement to improve education with greater flexibility and variety. However, when I learned more about how the movement was actually playing out, I became more skeptical. An overwhelming proportion of the schools were sponsored by tech companies, and - surprise surprise - dedicated to the premise that what students needed was MORE TECH! in their learning. These tech charter schools (which I think were something like 80-90% of the institutions founded) hired fewer teachers and bought more computers and software than conventional schools, with NO actual evidence that this was a formula that led to better-educated students. The whole thing began to smell to me like a scheme to funnel taxpayer dollars into captive markets for the tech companies' products.

All in all, there's too little information to be able to tell what the prospects are for this new project of Musk's. It could be a useless vanity institution, it could be a for-profit scam passing itself off as a school, it could be a high- but narrow-minded vision that won't deliver what Musk imagines it will, it could be an odd little niche of the American education world that does its niche thing just fine, or it could actually become a meaningful and viable institution of learning. Wait and see.
Great post as usual, thanks my friend. It is obvious that Mr. Musk is not respected by many here on Talkbass. I'm not a huge fan either but I also understand that there are some who go off as soon as they hear his name. Thank you for helping bring real clarity to the situation. We can have a discussion here without immediately taking sides, and resorting to the usual tropes.
 
He'll make a lot of money. Even if he had some great expertise, one man does not make a university.

I'm sure he's primarily interested in shaping the school faculty and curriculum to conform with his worldview.

Edited to add “faculty”. They will be the finest hand-picked “Yes Mr. Musk” educators that an idiot savant’s money can buy.

The size of the elephant in this room is enormous.
 
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If this is a defense of Musk, I'm not sure it's a terribly effective or positive one. I'm not sure a spiteful technocrat who would destroy a company and the jobs of so many people purely for his vanity and satisfaction is someone that should be admired and emulated and in charge of any type of education. But hey, different strokes.
I can totally see it. Companies will buy up competitors in order to deep six them.
 
I can totally see it. Companies will buy up competitors in order to deep six them.

Absolutely, but I don't think this was that strategic. I think it was the richest man-baby in the world deciding he didn't like people saying mean things about him, and then realizing oh... right, I have to run this thing.
 
If this is a defense of Musk, I'm not sure it's a terribly effective or positive one. I'm not sure a spiteful technocrat who would destroy a company and the jobs of so many people purely for his vanity and satisfaction is someone that should be admired and emulated and in charge of any type of education. But hey, different strokes.


There's a greater point to be made here, that a person's character has almost no correlation with their success in any particular endeavor.

Let's assume for the moment that Musk is truly as immoral a person as his most vocal critics allege. That doesn't mean he can't be a genius at creating and bringing to the public some amazing and innovative technology. And that, in turn, has no bearing on his potential ability to found a college that teaches students how to succeed in careers in science.

A lot of people are bassically saying they don't like what he's doing with TwitterX, therefore he's going to fail at founding a technical type college. Those two things just aren't connected.
 
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There's a greater point to be made here, that a person's character has almost no correlation with their success in any particular endeavor.

Let's assume for the moment that Musk is truly as immoral a person as his most vocal critics allege. That doesn't mean he can't be a genius at creating and bringing to the public some amazing and innovative technology. And that, in turn, has no bearing on his potential ability to found a college that teaches students how to succeed in careers in science.

There's a Big Lebowski quote that seems appropriate here. I have not claimed that he has not brought "to the public some amazing and innovative technology," or is incapable of doing so again.

However:

I'm sure he's primarily interested in shaping the school curriculum to conform with his worldview.

The Musk that launched Tesla and SpaceX is not, I'm fairly confident, the Musk that exists today.
 
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Where did you buy that burrito?
They are available at a few places in the Mission District in San Francisco, I once had lunch with a fellow T.B. member and we both had California Burritos. They originated in San Diego so you can probably find them easier there. The photo is from a recipe that you will find here : California Burrito • The Candid Cooks
 
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If I had $250 billion that I made from starting and developing a half dozen highly successful companies, I'd be pretty opinionated too and wouldn't hesitate to make my mark in the world in miscellaneous endeavors that I entered into on a whim.

I'm pretty sure that describes most of the people condemning Musk for doing exactly that.

Well, that's an interesting point. I think it takes a certain type of person to do what Musk, and people like Jeff Bezos and Peter Thiel have done. I am not that type of person, and neither are of any of us posting here, so, that's a bit moot, in my opinion. However, I have never held industrialists or GREAT MEN in high esteem. They are most often awful people, it seems. Musk's recent online activity indicates he may have a few things in common with Henry Ford.
 
I was hoping it was Concord somewhere.
They have them at Taqueria Pueblo Magico on the corner of Oak Grove and Ignacio Valley near the Whole Foods. They have decent burrtios there (but I am spoiled from living the the Mission District for many years). Next time I go there I will try their California Burrito and report back here. Knowing me it won't be long.