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Epifani Club! I've seen the "light"!
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Well, you asked about "speakers", so I thought you mean literally just the speakers, not the cabs, since the speakers HAVE changed "recently" with the series 2 models.
I haven't asked about the cabs, but I THINK you might be confusing the PS series here.
i'm sorry guys, i forgot to ask whether they were PS or UL, i totally forgot about PS.
The bass store i work for has just ordered a new shipment of ULs that are said to be made in China.... that's why i started posted all these questions because i always thought they were made in NYC aswell.
Lets hope that i got it wrong
The bass store i work for has just ordered a new shipment of ULs that are said to be made in China.... that's why i started posted all these questions because i always thought they were made in NYC aswell.
Lets hope that i got it wrong
here's the email that i sent epifani
"To whom it may concern,
I work for Bass People in Sydney, apparantly our next shipment of Epifani series 2 speakers are being manufactured in china?
Is this true? or have I got my facts wrong?
If it is true what are the differences in the US made and the chinese, are there any differences in sound?
thank you so much for your time
Evan S. Brown"
"To whom it may concern,
I work for Bass People in Sydney, apparantly our next shipment of Epifani series 2 speakers are being manufactured in china?
Is this true? or have I got my facts wrong?
If it is true what are the differences in the US made and the chinese, are there any differences in sound?
thank you so much for your time
Evan S. Brown"
Ok, I JUST got off the phone with Epifani... why guess at this. 
The UL AND PS series products, AND the speakers in them, are completely made in the USA, and that will remain true. Period.
HOWEVER, there is a NEW lower priced product line they're coming out with, and ONLY in THOSE NEW products, will the cabs (and drivers) be made in China. While the drivers are still Eminence, they will be the Chinese made Eminence drivers (Eminence also has a factory over there).
I don't think anybody would want to comment comparatively on "sound" without being able to A/B, them tho.
Hope this helps.
The UL AND PS series products, AND the speakers in them, are completely made in the USA, and that will remain true. Period.
HOWEVER, there is a NEW lower priced product line they're coming out with, and ONLY in THOSE NEW products, will the cabs (and drivers) be made in China. While the drivers are still Eminence, they will be the Chinese made Eminence drivers (Eminence also has a factory over there).
I don't think anybody would want to comment comparatively on "sound" without being able to A/B, them tho.
Hope this helps.
The new series is the "Underground" series. Bass Central mentions it on their web site...
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Ok, I JUST got off the phone with Epifani... why guess at this.
The UL AND PS series products, AND the speakers in them, are completely made in the USA, and that will remain true. Period.
HOWEVER, there is a NEW lower priced product line they're coming out with, and ONLY in THOSE NEW products, will the cabs (and drivers) be made in China. While the drivers are still Eminence, they will be the Chinese made Eminence drivers (Eminence also has a factory over there).
I don't think anybody would want to comment comparatively on "sound" without being able to A/B, them tho.
Hope this helps.
Interesting! A budget Epifani line that is less expensive than the PS series stuff? This wasn't announced at this past NAMM, was it?
Yep. I didn't want to mention the product line name 'cause I didn't know it'd been posted anywhere yet, and it's not on their site. I'm hoping (and expecting) they aren't going to limit it to a 115 cab tho.
Hi KUMS:I"ve had a 310 for almost 2 years. Just added a 210.
I may go for one of each. I wonder how a 510 would work?
I'm thinking of switching over from Acme B2 cabs to Epifani-with consideration of purchasing both a UL 310 and UL 210 4 ohm to mix and match for different playing situations. In your opinion, how well matched is the UL 310 and UL 210 when played together, considering the difference in ohmage. Are they well balanced volume wise? I'm trying to avoid buying a 410 for weight and space considerations, and I would mostly be using the 310 for the majority of EB gigs I do. The 210 I would add only to play larger, non sound reinforced rooms-which I rarely do-or for acoustic bass gigs in smaller rooms, which I do often. Any thoughts?
Ted
I know you asked KUMS but if I may respond, I have a couple of the 310's and with that config, it'd work, as long as your head could go down to 2 ohms, since you'd be paralleling a 4 ohm and 5.33 ohm cab for 2.28 ohms overall.
However, I think the real problem would be power distribution since about double the power would be going to each of the 10's in the 210 vs the 10's in the 310 (since they'd be 1/2 the impedance). IMHO, you'd be better off with an 8 ohm 210 to pair with the 5.33 ohm 310. At least that way all drivers would be 16 ohms and get the same power, and as should be, more power would go to the bigger cab. You'd also be operating at 3.2 ohms which might be a little nicer on the head... still below 4, tho, so the head still has to be able to take it.
Thanks for the input, Vic. I'm still a bit unsure-Nick Epifani seemed to think when I spoke with him today that the 4 ohm 210 cab would be a better match for the 310 than the 8 ohm, mostly because he thought the 8 ohm cabinet would be too unbalanced volume wise. My amps both go down to 2 ohms, so I'm okay with a 2.38 ohm load, and since I would probably only use the 210/310 cofiguration less than 5% of the time, it might not be a bad approach. Any thoughts?
Yeah, real world experience typically trumps paper analysis, so if Nick says the 4 ohm would work better, he's probably actually tested it, and I'd tend to take his word for it.
Assuming you are driving both cabinets WITH THE SAME AMP I think Vic was right in the first place about the 8 ohm version being the ideal match because of the 16 ohm drivers each drawing the same power, no matter what cabinet they reside in. With each of the five identical 16 ohm drivers drawing the same power, they would all reach their maximum power handling and Xmax at the same point. With a 4 ohm version UL210, its 8 ohm drivers WILL draw more power INDIVIDUALLY than the 16 ohm drivers in the UL310, but because of this they will also reach their power limit earlier! This also means that you would be restricted by the power limit of the UL210 and would not be able to run the UL310 at its full power capability. This partially defeats the benefit of why you want to use two cabinets in the first place. While Nick IS correct in saying that there would be a better volume balance between the two cabs with a 4 ohm UL210, I don't believe this is necessarily a requirement, IMO. What you are after is overall system volume. As you would most probably stack the UL210 on top, the 8 ohm version would be plenty loud to your ear in combination with the UL310, resulting in a composite 5x10". And as I said the upper power limits of both cabs would be reached at the same point where they could BOTH be used to their fullest (and safest) potential.
However, all this being said, if you drive each cabinet with a DIFFERENT head, it may actually make more sense to use the UL210 in the 4 ohm version. One reason is because amplifiers always put out more power at 4 ohms than at 8 ohms, and it's usually easier or cheaper to find an amp that puts out the power you need into 4 ohms instead of into 8 ohms. Another advantage is that neither amp would need to drive lower than a 4 ohm load each, where a single amp would!
One last point on this, and this is completely subjective on my part and IMHO. On a direct A/B comparison between my UL310 and a friend's UL210 4 ohm, each of the same series, I definitely prefered the tone of the UL310 in the mids. I'm not sure whether anyone here else has suggested this yet unless I've missed it, but I really believe that some of the magic in the UL310's and UL410's of BOTH series is due to the 16 ohm drivers they use. When I originally auditioned my UL310 at Epifani's shop, I asked Nick about this and though he said the difference is slight, he admitted that it's definitely there. Even if I'm totally wrong about this, using the UL210 8 ohm version should be tonally more compatible because of identical 16 ohm drivers as are in the UL310.
If you use a Carvin Bx1200 (probably others too, but not sure exactly which... GK maybe?) you can run each cab with independent power amps with different vol controls. Just a thought.
I think you meant 4 ohm UL210 in this statement, since, as you later say, the 8 ohm would have the same 16 ohm drivers in it as the UL310.
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