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Epifani Club! I've seen the "light"!

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#161
polkabob said:
I am new here. But I have been lurking for months.
No disrespect meant here. I was reading this and was simply wondering if this is speculation on your part or you do have full and complete information and documentation from someone at epifani to back up your statement.
Because you start your post stating "my feeling" leading me to think that it is your idea and not actual fact based. And later you say it may have been a mistake on Nick;s part. Did you ask Nick if he thought it was a mistake? If it is speculation, then I must ad that is how rumors start. And I am curious where your information comes from, is is working for epifani or a vendor? Because it is not a matter of "I like this tone and you like that tone", it is a more tangible issue than that. Again I mean no disrespect.

Thank you for allowing me to make my first contribution to this wonderful forum.
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Of course it's my speculation and opinion, in response to a direct question in a post of 'I wonder why these things don't sell'?

Given that my day gig is new product development and marketing, my feeling is from my experience with other clients that Nick probably has no idea of what I'm talking about:D, and is probably scratching his head wondering why these heads don't seem to be selling:smug:. It is obvious to me as a new products design and marketing consultant that the positioning of the PS600 relative to its pricing is pretty flawed. This has NOTHING to do with if it's a good sounding head or not... but has everything to do with ease of getting distribution (i.e., do the retailers think they can sell it) and in generating a good price/value image that will make it pop in the marketplace (i.e., will the consumer buy this over another piece of gear).

As you can tell, I take a particular interest in the marketing aspect of bass gear... what niche it might fill in the market, the price/value ratio, if it brings anything truly new to the market (i.e., tube tone in a lightweight amp, high power in a lightweight amp, uber boutique all tube power, lightweight cabs, cabs with huge low end or very 'flat' voicing, etc., etc., etc.). I do enjoy to apply my 'non music' day gig experience and knowledge to try to understand why some gear just explodes into the market place, and other gear (most of the times, very good sounding gear) just lays there.

I love Nick's cabs, and am actually one of his earliest retail customers. He's hit plenty of home runs. This line of amps doesn't seem to be one of them IMO (again... IMO:).)

That being said, all this is opinion and IMO interesting banter!

Edit: Welcome to TB!!!!
 
#163
lamarjones said:
I'll sign up, cause I got a request.

Epi ul502 into a ul210 and a ul210ap. Anyone who sees a ul210ap, GET IT!!!

But, anyone know how a dude can get a ul210ap cover?
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LeCover could make a nice one for you if you send them the exact dimensions. That AP was a cool cab. I didn't even realize that was ever in the UL line. I do remember the T and NYC models though... nice design.
 
#164
polkabob said:
I am new here. But I have been lurking for months.
No disrespect meant here. I was reading this and was simply wondering if this is speculation on your part or you do have full and complete information and documentation from someone at epifani to back up your statement.
Because you start your post stating "my feeling" leading me to think that it is your idea and not actual fact based. And later you say it may have been a mistake on Nick;s part. Did you ask Nick if he thought it was a mistake? If it is speculation, then I must ad that is how rumors start. And I am curious where your information comes from, is is working for epifani or a vendor? Because it is not a matter of "I like this tone and you like that tone", it is a more tangible issue than that. Again I mean no disrespect.

Thank you for allowing me to make my first contribution to this wonderful forum.
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nice post Polkabob!!
 
#165
KJung said:
My feeling on the lack of interest in the PS600 is that it was a marketing mistake. Nick marketed the PS600 not as a slightly less featured 502 at a lower price, but rather as the head associated with their lower line of gear, the PS line (i..e, the 'cheap stuff'). That sent a strong message to the market that the 600 was not just a 502 with one less channel (which I think is exactly what it is), but rather a 'lower quality' version of the 502 that not only has less features but also lower quality components, etc. This was probably a mistake on Nick's part, and lined up the 600 to compete with GK, etc. versus the higher end stuff. This put it at both an image disadvantage versus the higher end stuff and a price disadvantage to the lower end stuff IMO.

That being said, I just got a 502 and I'm quite disappointed and relatively underwhelmed, both from a price/value perspective, and a quality perspective. It sounds good, but has some quirks that are really problematic to me:hmm:

Love the cabs though!!!!

Edit: The comment about not having a tube doesn't really ring true to me as a possible reason for lack of interest in both the 502 and 600 in the marketplace. Many of the most popular heads on the market at the moment (Thunderfunk, Markbass LMII, Aguilar500, etc.) don't have tubes in the pre).
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Ken, love you posts and your waxing and realize you're 'day gig' is marketing. I kinda get what you're saying, but not the 'cheap stuff' part as much. If the PS600 really is just a tweaked, one-channel version of the 502, then it should be more affordable. So it probably should be associated with the 'cheap stuff'.

I've had a Series 1 and 2 UL-112, and a PS-112. Now I still have the PS-112 and a S1 UL-310. IMHO, the 112's are different enough sounding (and w/out the higher costs former B&C drivers and the Italian poplar) to be a total separate choice.

I think it was mostly being in competition with himself that hurt sales, but I don't know. I'm just a dirt and water guy.:D

Looking forward to the UL-410/AE-410 extravaganza!!!

And rock, pop and funk on, my man!!
 
#166
If anyone is interested, Guitar Center on 635 in Dallas has some Epifani heads and cabs on clearance. just a couple of each.
 
#167
Does anyone run their ul-310 in conjunction with another cab? I'm looking to pair mine with another cab for bigger stages and would appreciate any input here. I know the ohms are odd on the 3x10 (5.3ohms) Maybe a ul-115? Or another ul-310? I currently play thru a ul-502. Should I be concerned about the ohmage(is that a word?) Thanks for you suggestions.
 
#168
imandan said:
Does anyone run their ul-310 in conjunction with another cab? I'm looking to pair mine with another cab for bigger stages and would appreciate any input here. I know the ohms are odd on the 3x10 (5.3ohms) Maybe a ul-115? Or another ul-310? I currently play thru a ul-502. Should I be concerned about the ohmage(is that a word?) Thanks for you suggestions.
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You can't combine two cabs with the 502 if either cab is lower than 8ohms nominal impedance. The 5.3 impedance is not the issue, it's the 'under 8', since the 502 is only 4ohm safe.

I'm always a big fan of combining two of the same cabs, and quite a few use two 310UL's with a 2ohm safe head (or the 902, which has two separate power amps, both safe down to 4ohms).

If you don't mind a little extra size and weight than the single 310UL, a 4ohm 410UL is massively louder and fuller sounding than the 310UL, and is a beautiful match with the 502 voicing.

IMO!
 
#170
Tony G said:
Hey guys, how can I get my UL410 to give me that punch in the chest feeling? The last time I got that was when I was running an Avatar B410Neo, but I was running about 1200 watts through it at 4 ohms. I'm only running my LMII these days, so I know that is a pretty significant difference, but is there a way that I can eq the LMII to at least attempt to simulate that punch? I usually run the LMII flat with the filters off, and at gig volume it sounds pretty full. But it doesn't seem to get the cones moving. The tone just sounds full, it doesn't feel full. Any thoughts?
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Hmmm, I run the same rig. I thnk it is one of the punchiest sounding rig combinations out there. At high volumes my cones are moving and so is some of the stages I play on.

Do you use casters? Or, do you have the cab on the floor. This could make a slight difference but, ever so slightly.

Are you using anything else in the chain? I can't imagine what else it could be????
 
#171
The tweeter in the cab plays a part in all of this. I would try dialing in different degrees of the tweeter to see if that helps.

Make sure (which I am sure you do) you're adjusting the volume up to the clipping stage and then back it off a bit so the light doesn't come on. Try a little eq on the amp. I run it flatt as well but, you never know, you might find something that works with your bass. Hope this helps. Good Luck!
 
#174
bikeplate said:
HI

Tony. I have an idea. Its called Sadowsky.

Rob
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lol Rob....:D


So far the Sadowsky thing just hasn't been for me. I know you and a lot of other people really love them, but mostly the price keeps me from ordering a new one. I have a Nordy VJ5 on order though, so that will bring me a new companion that hopefully will help me get back the funk.
 
#176
Sign me up!

Epifani Quest II Preamp (with Stewart 2.1)
Epifani UL-110
Epifani UL-112
Epifani T-112 v1

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Main rig is UL-112 + WWU but I'll occasionally bring out the big rig.

Hope to add another UL-112 and a UL-310/410 in the near future.
 
#177
Tony G said:
Hey guys, how can I get my UL410 to give me that punch in the chest feeling? The last time I got that was when I was running an Avatar B410Neo, but I was running about 1200 watts through it at 4 ohms. I'm only running my LMII these days, so I know that is a pretty significant difference, but is there a way that I can eq the LMII to at least attempt to simulate that punch? I usually run the LMII flat with the filters off, and at gig volume it sounds pretty full. But it doesn't seem to get the cones moving. The tone just sounds full, it doesn't feel full. Any thoughts?
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IMHO, forget all the tweeter talk... just boost the low mids. That "chest punch" is usually somewhere around 400Hz, and I think the LMII's low mids are 380 if I recall.
 
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