Epifani Club! I've seen the "light"!

[gruuv]

Sign me up.................. I've owned all kinds of Epifani gear, currently just cabs - a T-112 NYC and a UL310 S1. As soon as the Piccolo and PS1000 make their appearance I will be giving my LMII some competition.

Pictures to come. . .

 

[MadMark5]

here's my UL Series 2 3X10, pure tonal heaven...

 

[bigbottomboogi]

Im still trying to search for info on the
ps series cabs and amps,
does any body have them? if so how do they rate against
other cabs . I found alot of stuff on the ul and it looks bad a_ _ more than i want to spend right now, but this is my first rig im try'n to skip the junk stuff .
just want somthing nice.
thanks
Jason

 

[jokerjkny]

finally got to stop by the shop,

and HOLY CRAP, the shop is soooooooooo different now. they tore down all the walls, and its now one big open space. nick mentioned he needed more shop floor space, and the only thing he could think of was to knock down all the walls. he also took up the old fodera string winding shop, which used to be behind the epifani shop.

unfortunately, all the amp prototypes are at nick's house, so i didnt get a chance to try them out. but big news coming soon about those. think he mentioned the piccolo amp would be massively wattaged.

also got to try some prototype "performance" series 4x10, which were terrific! much more clearer and detailed in the upper mids than the previous performance cab he had next to the prototypes. speakers' domes were much smaller than the current performance series speakers. really badass sounding cabs, that had this awesome grunt, but killer upper end articulation. just slammin' for slap!

 

[GRoberts]

I sent a couple PM's to some TB friends who I know love their EpiUL410 (S2's), but I thought I'd post here as well and ask for some collective wisdom.

I've been sitting on the fence for a while now considering upgrading from my Epi UL310 (S2) to an EpiUL410 (S2).
I am looking for 'one cab does it all' performance in a cabinet that is the lightest weight possible. That's probably the EpiUL410 (s) ... end of story. Yeah, I know, .... I probably just need to pony up the Benjamin's and get one ordered to find out for myself. Laughs.

The reasons for my upgrade search is that I am after a cabinet that will sound great, full, articulate both on stage and off stage at low-to-moderate volumes, but also offer nice loud, full punch when the time comes. The UL310 does great, but on a couple occassions, I've run it up to what I consider it's limitations where it begins to mildly compress.

I've also noticed a stange anomoly with my EpiUL310. I'm not sure if it's the cabinet, or if maybe it's just a couple rooms I perform at. I walk off stage and about 25 feet away, I've noticed what sounds almost like phase cancellation and a significant thinning bass sound. It's like the low end gets lost and in one particular room the UL310 seems to have poor off axis fullness and punch. AGain, it might be "the room". That seems to happen at just a couple places. But I do notice my EpiUL310 seems fairly directional for optimal fullness and punch. Is that your experience as well? It seems to thin out beyond what I would expect. (But not always) This mainly happens in certain rooms. Maybe that anomoly will occur with any cabinet?

Has anyone here upgrade from the UL310 (s2) to an EpiUL410 (s2) If so, what sonic differences/improvements did you hear?

 

[Vic]

Has anyone here upgrade from the UL310 (s2) to an EpiUL410 (s2) If so, what sonic differences/improvements did you hear?

I haven't really "upgraded" per se, as I still have both, but IMHO the S2 UL410 is way way more powerful than than either the S1 or S2 UL310, and especially the S2, which is a bit more scooped, which can be difficult for you when you need to battle loud and/or nasty mixes. My favorite Epifani cabs, in order, are the S2 UL410 and then the S1 UL310.

 

[GRoberts]

Some rooms just make it tough for any cabinet to carry the room with equal punch and fullness I guess.

 

[Vic]

Wow, I've never heard any sort of compression or phase cancellation unique to the Epifani stuff.

However, what you guys might be talking about is comb filtering, which is typical of a parallel speaker config, but not a vertical one, but that should come and go as you walk a circumference around the cab, and it shouldn't be a huge problem. I could see that not happening with the 212 since they aren't next to each other (and since you won't be going up and down an elevator on stage any time soon likely).

The 310 is not exactly a parallel config, but still has drivers somewhat adjacent, so I suppose it could happen there too, but to be honest, I've never noticed it myself.

 

[KJung]

Wow, I've never heard any sort of compression or phase cancellation unique to the Epifani stuff.

However, what you guys might be talking about is comb filtering, which is typical of a parallel speaker config, but not a vertical one, but that should come and go as you walk a circumference around the cab, and it shouldn't be a huge problem. I could see that not happening with the 212 since they aren't next to each other (and since you won't be going up and down an elevator on stage any time soon likely).

The 310 is not exactly a parallel config, but still has drivers somewhat adjacent, so I suppose it could happen there too, but to be honest, I've never noticed it myself.

+1 While I've heard this happen with many bass cabs, it typically impacts the entire band (i.e., if the bass sounds funny or weak in some parts of the room, so do the other low frequencies from the keys, bass drum, etc.). There are just some rooms that are nasty.

I've heard the 410UL out front so many times (since so many of my peers have been using them for years) and it sounds full, fat and even 90% of the time. If there are holes in the sound in the room, it impacts the entire band, not just the bass IMO and IME.

That being said, I've heard a single 310UL fold in many rooms, similarly to other small cabs. It's not the brand, it's the size of the cab, and in the 310UL's situation, a little too much deep low end relatively to mids in a small box. It can sound GREAT in small to moderate size gigs, and totally ,completely give up the ghost in larger louder gigs in bigger rooms.

IMO

 

[Vic]

That being said, I've heard a single 310UL fold in many rooms, similarly to other small cabs. It's not the brand, it's the size of the cab, and in the 310UL's situation, a little too much deep low end relatively to mids in a small box. It can sound GREAT in small to moderate size gigs, and totally ,completely give up the ghost in larger louder gigs in bigger rooms.

+1

This would be totally consistent with my experiences.

It was Tony's post where he was thinking (tho admittedly some from distant memory) that the 410 had sonic issues a 212 didn't. That's what struck me as odd... or at least counter my experiences, for whatever that's worth.

 

[smakbass]

Man I never realized how light those UL410's are hadnt even seen one til yesterday when I was at Long & Mcquade in vancouver....I decided I better not try it out......too tempting.

 

[KJung]

Man I never realized how light those UL410's are hadnt even seen one til yesterday when I was at Long & Mcquade in vancouver....I decided I better not try it out......too tempting.

Amazing stuff!!!! That original 410UL that was introduced in around 2001 changed my whole approach to my rig. Instead of small, and still kind of heavy, I could go light and big and massive and full and wonderful.

There's finally some good competition for the 410UL, but it's still the 'king of the hill' for me for modern, clean pop/funk type tone

 

[GRoberts]

After sharing some great PM's with a couple of my trusted TB brethren today, I think I'm gonna pull the trigger on an EpiUL410 (S2)! I found a very nice deal on a brand new one, shipped to my doorstep. I honestly believe the UL410 (S2) will not leave me wanting. If it does, I'll check out a Bergie AE410 as "Plan B." ...and I can keep the UL310 for a while, if not indefinitely.

I have a great amp to pair with the EpiUL410; Markbass LMII. I also have a GB Shuttle 6.0 that I am still getting a wonderful vibe from. And who knows, once I have the EpiUL410 (S2), maybe I'll have to revisit a comparison of the LMII to the Markbass F1. Things that make you go hmmmm. Fun stuff.

I will keep you guys posted. With the weekend upon us, it will take a week or better to get here from the East coast. Thanks! Gary

 

[KJung]

+1

This would be totally consistent with my experiences.

It was Tony's post where he was thinking (tho admittedly some from distant memory) that the 410 had sonic issues a 212 didn't. That's what struck me as odd... or at least counter my experiences, for whatever that's worth.

I've recently set up my 2 x 112 stack and 410 in a relatively large room and roamed around to try to hear this 'comb filtering effect'. Both had identical off axis response, and both sounded wonderful

I again believe that comb filtering is real, and can have some nasty impact to a full range stereo type system. For bass... just rock the 410 and relax

 

[Juniorkimbrough]

Man I never realized how light those UL410's are hadnt even seen one til yesterday when I was at Long & Mcquade in vancouver....I decided I better not try it out......too tempting.

Yes, it's insane how light they are!

 

[Vic]

I've recently set up my 2 x 112 stack and 410 in a relatively large room and roamed around to try to hear this 'comb filtering effect'. Both had identical off axis response, and both sounded wonderful

I again believe that comb filtering is real, and can have some nasty impact to a full range stereo type system. For bass... just rock the 410 and relax

+1

I think this is another one of those things that is a technical reality but generally of practical insignificance.

 

[pretaanluxis]

UL115 & 210.

 

[smakbass]

So erm how heavy are the 2 x 10's

Edit: ok I looked it up...lighter than my HT-112.

 

[brandinstroy]

New custom 212 vertical cab.

 

[fretster]

New T212 side by side owner here, but will possibly convert to a vertical cab.

Taken out of context, someone might think we were talking about a wine tasting here..... Vertical Cab tasting, anyone? Or maybe a Chardonnay?

Sorry. Back to topic.

And a Vertical tasting is when you get a number of wines from different years, but all the same kind, same winery, same vinyard, etc. NOT simply drinking from the jug while standing up.