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Epifani Club! I've seen the "light"!

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#281
Juniorkimbrough said:
Yes, it's insane how light they are!
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funny,

but tonight, i found my UL310 was turning about on its own. guess its 44 lbs. will move about when the low B gets the pounding. guess using my shuttle 6.0 actually does have some drawbacks. ;)

and roscoe,

not sure if that's happened to my UL310, cause i've never really walked out 25 ft. from the stage. in most rooms, i've been ok. then again, most times, i'm in the PA, so what the audience most likely hears is mostly PA anyways.

interesting you bring this up, cause just tonight, did a gig at [Invalid or Expired Link Removed] Kathy Murphy theatre, and was not in the PA. soundman didnt say anything to the contrary, and i liked what i was hearing. actually really loved the tones my sadowsky was getting thru my shuttle 3.0. thick, hefty tube tone translates pretty nice thru the UL310.

and frankly, while the UL410 is a terrific cab, its hard to believe i'd need anything any louder or larger than the UL310. i.e. tonight, was up against a very hard hitting drummer, cranked fender super reverb, and a vox ac30, and i was PLENTY loud against them. never did i feel buried or underpowered.

with that said, i do have a second UL310 for the outdoor shows, which'll give me extra bit of presence onstage. and frankly, two cabs of any brand always looks badass. :cool:
 
#282
jokerjkny said:
funny,

but tonight, i found my UL310 was turning about on its own. guess its 44 lbs. will move about when the low B gets the pounding. guess using my shuttle 6.0 actually does have some drawbacks. ;)
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I found this happening a few times with my old 210UL. I put nice rubber feet on the bottom and problem solved. Highly recommended for all cabs IMO, but especially the smaller, lighter ones. It also helps eliminate much of the vibration between the head and cab, with is a good thing with the lighter heads on top of these lighter cabs.
 
#283
jokerjkny said:
and frankly, while the UL410 is a terrific cab, its hard to believe i'd need anything any louder or larger than the UL310. i.e. tonight, was up against a very hard hitting drummer, cranked fender super reverb, and a vox ac30, and i was PLENTY loud against them. never did i feel buried or underpowered.
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+1 This has been my experience so far as well with my UL310 S1. As long as I can keep up with the on-stage volume of drummers and guitarists, etc., then I'm not as concerned with filling a large room without PA support because if I can't fill the room unsupported, usually the rest of the band can't without PA support either. IMO the UL310 brings me right up to (and slighty past) the "PA transition point" of volume. That said, no question the UL410 will do this better and beyond. But I also believe that at least some of the volume ceiling is also due to some amps running out of dynamic headroom when pushed hard.

Upwards of 90% of the time my LMII/UL310 rig has been completely adequate, but I'm about to breakdown and get a QSC PLX1804 to power a dear old custom preamp for those few times where I need to "go to eleven." And I ADORE my preamp! (Think Ashly SC-40 with an extra band of mid and selectable mid bandwidth.) I realize you can only milk so much out of any cab, and I'll have to take it easy, but I love the idea of having that extra headroom when really needed, and I'll be able to power an additional cab with it if necessary. Contemporary wisdom is saying, "smaller, lighter," and I have gotten there with the LMII, but the Preamp/PLX1804 rig in a 3-space SKB "X" rack will only weigh 23 lbs - not too bad for those few times where I'll really need it to go to "twelve." ;)
 
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jokerjkny said:
figured,

what preamp is this that you speak of? curious minds wanna know!

preamp wise, my kern is freakin' fantastic into my UL310. and FYI, i also have an 1804 and the x-rack! and yea, its alot easier to carry than you'd think.
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That's great to know about the 1804 & x-rack - thanks. That's it, I'm getting them! :hyper: This will complete a pretty formidable ultralight rig with my UL310 and I can transport it all on a Remin KS600 collapsible equipment cart, making a one trip load-in, including the instrument, etc.

I don't mean to go OT here, and sorry if I'm giving too much info! :) But to answer your question, the preamp is completely home-made, so unfortunately it's not obtainable. In the early 80's I used and loved an Ashly SC-40, which after a few years I foolishly traded in for something far inferior.:crying: So I then spec'd out a preamp functionally like the SC-40. The frequency sweepable bass and treble controls always knocked me out on that preamp, so I had them put into my preamp. It has two bands of sweepable mid controls, with a narrow/wide bandwidth switch each. Also like the Ashly the "stage" and "PA" outputs can be sent individually with or without EQ, and the PA (DI) out has a level control for -40 to +4 dBu as well as a phase reverse switch. It's still built into that original Alembic F-2B box. This preamp with a good power amp into the UL310 is amazing! Here's a pic of the preamp from the "lead sled" rig days:
 

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#288
I've used my UL212 twice now. One gig was a small bar, capacity maybe 100 people, the second gig was a rock /dance club capacity maybe 300 people. Both gigs used the full PA support so the cabs main function was as a stage monitor. That is the case in almost every gig we play.
My thoughts? I love a 59 lb cab with two side handles. It is much easier to move around than the 2 NYC T-112 cabs I previously used.
Now as for the tone of the cab. To be honest I'm not positive. The cab sounded very clear, It may have sounded a little more mid range and less bottom end than the two NYC's did. I kept the Eden WT-400 mostly flat like I always do.
I think I will need several more gigs to settle in to the cab. I like it, it sounds good to me. Will I end up boosting the bass a hair or will I decide I like the sound as it is? I'm not sure.
I honestly don't know if the UL212 really sounds that much different than the two NYC's or I have just come to expect that it would from what I've read. Now that the other cabs are gone I never had a chance to do a side by side. If I had to bet I would say the NYC's actually do have a deeper sound when used in a pair. Either way the UL212 cab sounds good to me and the weight seals the deal.
 
#289
I must admit that im still not in love with my UL212 and thats why im going to change to a UL410.
While this is the best cab i have owned as its light, sounds good and is doing a great job for my gigs that i dont use a full PA with (99%) i still feel its missing something.
i find the bottom end is slower than i would like although the sound is nice and full.
Ive not played a 410 but from all accounts this will be snappier and have a bigger low end.
I tend to play most of my gigs on wooden stages and while most are ok some are really bad for this cab. ive used my 1210R at the same gigs with not so many problems.
 
#290
dave_bass5 said:
I must admit that im still not in love with my UL212 and thats why im going to change to a UL410.
While this is the best cab i have owned as its light, sounds good and is doing a great job for my gigs that i dont use a full PA with (99%) i still feel its missing something.
i find the bottom end is slower than i would like although the sound is nice and full.
Ive not played a 410 but from all accounts this will be snappier and have a bigger low end.
I tend to play most of my gigs on wooden stages and while most are ok some are really bad for this cab. ive used my 1210R at the same gigs with not so many problems.
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Noting I have very little experience with the UL212, I'm still betting the UL410 will work a LOT better for you.
 
#291
In what way Vic? i have not played a 410 before.
Thing is i have avoided 10's in the past because as i play with a pick i dont really like a bright sound. That was my reason for going to 12's but as im starting to use my fingers more i find the 12's to be a bit full on (not to good with sonic descriptions). I like the kick my 1210R gives and while i know thats more down to the size of the box i now feel its time to give 10's a go.
Am i right in thinking a 410 will have a tighter, cleaner bottom end than my 212? This might help on the stages we play but i dont want too bright a sound still.
 
#293
dave_bass5 said:
In what way Vic? i have not played a 410 before.
Thing is i have avoided 10's in the past because as i play with a pick i dont really like a bright sound. That was my reason for going to 12's but as im starting to use my fingers more i find the 12's to be a bit full on (not to good with sonic descriptions). I like the kick my 1210R gives and while i know thats more down to the size of the box i now feel its time to give 10's a go.
Am i right in thinking a 410 will have a tighter, cleaner bottom end than my 212? This might help on the stages we play but i dont want too bright a sound still.
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Well, the UL410 does have plenty of low end, and I'm not sure once you get into the lower frequencies how tight anything can really be, but if you're describing it in terms of what I'd call reaction time or quickness, I'd agree. I think moving more smaller speakers would be punchier than moving fewer larger ones. Admittedly, 10's vs 12's is not huge, so that's probably gonna' be subtle.

My main thing is, I've never been that much into cabs that only have 12's and horns as standalones. There's some upper mids that are too low for the horn, and not as well supported by a 12 (vs a 10, or maybe even a 8 or 6). It's this "gap" that has always bugged me about cabs like that. Doesn't seem to exist as much in cabs with 10's that I've noticed. I think this is why makers such as Accugroove and DR Bass use these smaller drivers along with the horns in at least some of their 12-based cabs.

I can see your point about a pick, but I'd prefer to solve that with EQ, not cab selection... especially since you can change EQ for picks vs fingers quicker (and less expensively) than changing cabs. ;)

Also, the 410 will be at least a little louder because you have more radiating area. Given reasonably comparable driver types and cab designs, it's an immutable truth that adding more radiating area will had more volume... even without increasing power.
 
#295
Hey Dave, I have had great success taming down the pick using a Behringer ADI21. Its not exactly like a finger tone, but is much, much more subdued than a pick.
These are the settings I use:

Blend - max
mids - 7:00
treb - off
bass - 8:00
para mids - 10:00

Works remarkably well. I use it for songs where I need to play faster than I can with fingers... maybe 4 songs of the set.

I find it works MUCH better than a regular eq pedal for this goal.
 
#296
::::BASSIST:::: said:
Hey Dave, I have had great success taming down the pick using a Behringer ADI21. Its not exactly like a finger tone, but is much, much more subdued than a pick.
These are the settings I use:

Blend - max
mids - 7:00
treb - off
bass - 8:00
para mids - 10:00

Works remarkably well. I use it for songs where I need to play faster than I can with fingers... maybe 4 songs of the set.

I find it works MUCH better than a regular eq pedal for this goal.
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Thnaks for the reply. I do have one of those but never use it.
To be honest its not really a big problem but i think i just dont like the UL212 as much as i hoped i would.
 
#298
dave_bass5 said:
I tend to have the tweeter on half or just under on my UL212 to keep the pick "click" in check but do mainly run my MB heads flat other than a slight tweak on the filters.
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Man, this sounds like a PERFECT application for the VLE! Saves you the trouble of reaching around the back, too! :)
 
#299
Vic said:
Man, this sounds like a PERFECT application for the VLE! Saves you the trouble of reaching around the back, too! :)
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+1 At lower levels, it really does act like a tweeter attenuator. It's a wonderful control for taking the edge off the treble if you don't have a passive tone control on your instrument. If you do, it's somewhat redundant.
 
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