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Double Bass Evah Pirazzi strings megathread part I

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Played 3 acoustic sets with Drums, Guitar and Singer yesterday. Had my amp, kept turning it down and eventually off. Was very happy with my sound and the strings and eventually didn't really get especially tired. At least no more than I would expect to from 3 sets regardless. go figure.
 
Tried these, liked them for a lot of reasons. Very even and responsive to different playing techniques. Had to let them go as they turned into a pain when I plugged in. Back home to the good old combo of Spiro Mittel E, Weich A+D, and Oliv G.
 
Yeah, if you haven't been following my neurosis, I'm trying to stick with them, but having a weird relationship with them. Loving them, but having a hard time sticking with them in all settings, for all purposes. I'm trying though, because there is a lot that I like about them.

This was a good weekend for me and them, though.

We'll see.
 
I found the quieter and more acoustic the setting, the more I liked them.

As amplification is added and the vol goes up I liked them less.

Still great strings w/ so many good qualities.
 
This is tracking pretty consistently with my experiece as well so far. I can't bring myself to take them off yet, because I'm so happy with them in certain situations. But, I'm really struggled with them on certain stages.
 
This is tracking pretty consistently with my experiece as well so far. I can't bring myself to take them off yet, because I'm so happy with them in certain situations. But, I'm really struggled with them on certain stages.

As you may have read in earlier posts, you're taking the same trajectory that I did. For certain things, they are unbelievable. For others, ehh. They are really loud which increases the number of jobs I could play completely acoustic. And the fundamental just roars out given them a monsterous thump which made walking a blast. That very factor made soloing kind of difficult because I no longer had all of those overtones to play with while soloing. I kind felt like I was playing a bass marimba soloing with them--great attack, not really happy with what came after. But, and this was the key, I didn't like the way they amplified. Ultimately they had to go as I play too many jobs amplified and I needed a better amplified sound. There are some jobs where I really miss them but on balance, I'm happier with the Mittel/Dominant combo I went back to.

mark
 
Several years since I've had experience with them on my bass, but I touch Obligatos on other basses and I'll do the best I can.

Evah Pirazzis are MUCH meatier than Obligatos. I have the impression they they will hold up much longer and are was darker and older school.

Obligatos are more modern sounding and more supple. They definitely give more under your fingers, especially once they start to break in. For some people, as you've read, the outer winding start rolling freely around the inner cores, after a little while, especially on the lower strings, which makes them feel very wimpy.

I feel like the EPs are a good strong string. The G has some modern like qualities to it, moreso than the rest of the set. It gets a little plasticy sounding sometimes, but they are sufficiently different than Obligatos in my experience. Blindfolded, I would never confuse one of the other.

Mabye someone else has more back to back experience with the two sets on the same instrument.
 
Bigger, warmer, darker sound on my bass. Less midrangey. Just a little shorter sustain. More "old school" sounding. Much fuller under the bow. MUCH louder acoustically. Stiffer, with no rolling at all.

Exactly my experience. Right now, I have an EP E and A with obligato D and G on the bass and am enjoying arco very much. As for pizz, the EPs are a bit stiffer than I am used to which translates to more tiring on long jazz gigs.
 
I've had exactly the same experience w. the EP's as most of you guys: great thumpy acoustic sound, but not so great amped ditto. That's caused me to think about installing spiros instead.
Last night however, I had success with the amped sound.
On my PJB suitcase, with my Full Circle, I had it set for the passive input (off course, since it raises the impedance 4Mohm to fit the P.U), on the 5 band graphic eq, I cut a bit of 50hz, some at 630hz and 2,5Khz.
My wife was in the audience, she's got good ears, and have seen me with most of my different setups, and she commented on how good and clear the sound of the bass was thru the P.A. And I was playing with a bigband...
Just wanted to share this little victory in the struggle to amplify the EP's:)
 
ok ... i continue to adore these strings acoustically. and i continue to be confounded by the idea that you need to change your setup so it sounds better amplified. i'm sorry, but if your setup doesn't sound right amplified, it's not your bass, it's your amplification. sarah vaughn had a fabulous voice ... she sang through ****** PAs in her life, i'm sure ... should she have had surgery so she sounded "better" amplified? it just makes no sense to me.

personally, i'm not there in terms of having an amplified sound that i'm as happy with as my acoustic sound, but i'm sticking with that source that, to me, sounds right and working from there ... i hear all the various working players who are saying "but i need to sound as great amplified as i can" ... that's cool, but, imho, you should be talking to someone with real knowledge of sound reinforcement, 'cause that's what you're really talking about here, to get that sound to the people. fundamentally, i think the issue is that all pickups sound like ****, period, so it comes down to finding a way to, cost-effectively, amplify a db in a way that doesn't compromise the sound of the instrument ... we can send a man to the moon, we certainly should be able to amplify a doghouse.

i also think that there are really three challenges: to have an acoustic sound that's happening, to have an amplified that's happening for *the player*, and having an amplified sound that reflects the acoustic paradigm for *the audience*.

i don't think anyone is going to get rich from the best ever ever ever means of amplifying db, but it sure would be nice if it happened.

best always,

jeff.
 
i suppose all we all are really doing is venting our frustrations with the technology available, and you're right, all the qualities that make the db a fabulous sounding acoustic instrument make it that much more difficult to amplify ... there's just gotta be a better way. but nobody is gonna get rich inventing feedback-proof db amplification.

jeff.
 
Hmm.

Ron Carter: Realist, LaBella black nylon.
George Mraz: Underwood, Spiros.
Rufus Reid: Animas, Schertler.
John Patitucci: Realist/mic, various Pirastros.
Ray Brown: Polytone, Spiros.

And so on, and so on. . .

None of these guys sound like ****, amplified or not. They know how to make their sound work in whatever situation. Most of these guys gig every night, through an amp and have to know how to make that work for them. Most of US have to do the same, even though it might only be a couple of times a week.

Developing an acoustic sound is of utmost importance, but knowing how to get your sound out of an amp is almost as important. In a perfect world, we would all be heard exactly as we sound in the practice room. In the real world, we're all dealing with different variables: strings, basses, pickups, amps, rooms, etc. Make no mistake. Ron Carter's acoustic sound is a thing of beauty (IMHO), but if you see him on a gig, you're going to hear that sound with the pickup. Learn to make it work. Some guys even practice with the pickup (Avishai Cohen, for example). It almost seems silly to think that if you gig with a pickup 5x/week that you try not to deal with it when you practice. It's practically part of the instrument. . .but that's another thread.

As far as the EPs go, they're still on my bass. Still making them work, amplified and acoustically. I've had to really change how I'm playing the bass and how I hear the sound of the bass. I'm touching the bass a bit lighter now, but this fundamental kills. The arco is also to die for. They're working well, and I'm finding ways around that "bump" they put out when they're amplified (via Full Circle).
 
Hmm.

Ron Carter: Realist, LaBella black nylon.
George Mraz: Underwood, Spiros.
Rufus Reid: Animas, Schertler.
John Patitucci: Realist/mic, various Pirastros.
Ray Brown: Polytone, Spiros.

And so on, and so on. . .

None of these guys sound like ****, amplified or not. They know how to make their sound work in whatever situation. Most of these guys gig every night, through an amp and have to know how to make that work for them. Most of US have to do the same, even though it might only be a couple of times a week.

Developing an acoustic sound is of utmost importance, but knowing how to get your sound out of an amp is almost as important. In a perfect world, we would all be heard exactly as we sound in the practice room. In the real world, we're all dealing with different variables: strings, basses, pickups, amps, rooms, etc. Make no mistake. Ron Carter's acoustic sound is a thing of beauty (IMHO), but if you see him on a gig, you're going to hear that sound with the pickup. Learn to make it work. Some guys even practice with the pickup (Avishai Cohen, for example). It almost seems silly to think that if you gig with a pickup 5x/week that you try not to deal with it when you practice. It's practically part of the instrument. . .but that's another thread.

As far as the EPs go, they're still on my bass. Still making them work, amplified and acoustically. I've had to really change how I'm playing the bass and how I hear the sound of the bass. I'm touching the bass a bit lighter now, but this fundamental kills. The arco is also to die for. They're working well, and I'm finding ways around that "bump" they put out when they're amplified (via Full Circle).

Right on, man. I agree with every word.

I have the full set on my bass and every day I am surprised at how great they sound and feel. I have been looking for that sound for many years. I continue to find that it's not really that hard to get a good amplified sound, provided you are producing a good strong and clear sound acoustically.
 
Hmm.

Ron Carter: Realist, LaBella black nylon.
George Mraz: Underwood, Spiros.
Rufus Reid: Animas, Schertler.
John Patitucci: Realist/mic, various Pirastros.
Ray Brown: Polytone, Spiros.

I don't want to get into a pissing match, but I kind of disagree.

I'll never be the player that any of those guys are, but I don't appreciate everyone's recorded tone and just because some famous player sounds a certain way doesn't mean that it should be good enough for me (or you or the next guy) as a musician as an artist.

And, I never saw George Mraz live, but I would speculate that his acoustic sound was quite different than his amplified sound.
 
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