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Double Bass Evah Pirazzi strings megathread part II

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#321
kwd said:
Ben

;)Coincidentally, I did that about half an hour ago and I like the results. I can dig in more. I think I'm going to like these strings as I get more accustomed to them.

It's hard to let go of the power of Dominants but they had their own set of issues.
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Just another examples of individual bass and personal interactions. I love Doms and gave them up because of breakage issues. Power? Well, for sheer power, my experience has been that the Evahs out-do the Doms in that department. YMMV.
 
#322
I feel slight "ROLLING" with these strings, similar to Obligatos but much less of it and only when I pull hard. It happens every so often but I haven't determined which strings are doing it. Anyone else experience that as well?
 
#323
MiamiBasser said:
I feel slight "ROLLING" with these strings, similar to Obligatos but much less of it and only when I pull hard. It happens every so often but I haven't determined which strings are doing it. Anyone else experience that as well?
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This is called "rolling after-effect." It occurs because you've been playing on other strings (e.g., Oblis) that roll. When you switch to strings that don't roll, it feels as if they're rolling in the opposite direction. It's like spinning around in a chair and then stopping.

Ok, I made that up. ;) No, I never felt the Evah regulars or Evah Weichs roll. I have my string height on the high side and do tend to dig in rather substantially. Never noticed rolling.
 
#328
Anybody who has played both EP Weichs and Belcantos? I would love to read an A/B.

Currently using the Belcantos, and generally like them, but certainly following along with you folks, with much interest...(and maybe just a tetch of string lust?). :)
 
#330
salcott said:
BelCantos, for me anyway, would be a perfect string if I played only arco. EPs can go both ways.
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When I played a set of BelCantos I had a similar thought. I didn't really do an extended arco evaluation but, for me, they didn't work well at all playing pizz. Certainly nothing even approaching the EPs for pizz. and, as mentioned by many here, the EPs work quite well for arco too. IMO, YMMV.
 
#331
I've been currently using Evah Pirazzi regular gauge G&D with Spirocore weich A&E. I've been happy with the set up, the weichs are comfortable to play and the tension matches well the EPs, but the A is sometimes a little bit "steel-sounding" next to the D, and doesn't bow as smoothly. I've been curious about the EP weichs but I don't have $$ for a whole set right now, I've got enough in my Paypal for one string :D So --

Should I replace the A with an EP regular A, or an EP Weich A?

I like the regular EP D&G just fine, I don't feel the need to go lighter, I only ever tried a used E&A, it was a while ago and on a different bass, I don't remember much about them.

Would it be unbalanced to have the EP weich A with the regular D&G? Will the Spiro weich E now stick out like a sore thumb? (I also have a mittel I can use). The Spiro weich E doesnt sound so steel-ish on my bass like the A does.

Input would be appreciated.

Thanks!
 
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Here's my opinion. I would strongly recommend that you wait until you can have a complete set of EP weichs. As others have pointed out, they are a very balanced set. I wouldn't mix EP regular and weich. I understand you are happy with the EP regular D & G. FWIW, when I switched from EP regular to EP weich, the change I liked the most was the G. The slightly smaller diameter and slightly brighter tone made for a better sound and feel from bottom to top of the fingerboard. The weich G seems to have a quicker response and allows for easier and more articulate hammer-ons and pull-offs than the regular. That's been my experience, anyway. As always, and especially with strings, YMMV.
 
#335
Thanks for all the great advice guys. What I think I will do is just get another bass and put EP's on them. That will solve my angst. I won't be married anymore but then I'll know. :)

It would make sense that Clayton plays Obligatos. They sound like a bigger 'thump' then my Spirocores Weichs. Ultimately, that's the sound that I want to 'feel' but I think I would give up too much top end and articulation for soloing. Because I play in a jazz trio, I'm forced to do more soloing than I actually care to. When I go to a solo, I'm afraid that the notes will just be muffled sounding for most to hear.

The thing I like about Clayton and Haden (even Brown to an extent) is that the strings decay quicker. I feel like the Spiros give me good sustain but that's not always what I want. Yes, I'm sure you'll say it's my technique but I can tell the difference.

I really like the Obligatos on my EUB but can see that I would fatigue much faster. I played back to back nights of 4 hours of playing and I was glad that I had the Weichs. Too much of a rookie to play something heavier for now, I guess.

Again, thanks....first step - Spiro Mittels, if I can handle them, then EP Mediums, those get too dicey, EV Weichs.....and likely back to my Spirocore Weichs like many of you have recommended. (ha...I love this stuff). THANKS!!!!!! You guys are simply the best.
 
#336
Just a head's up...when you put the Mittels on, they will be REALLY bright and zingy for a while. Don't panic. They mellow out nicely. Play the crap out of them and they'll mellow faster. Within a couple of days, they'll start to sound really good and they'll just keep getting better sounding for months.

mark
 
#337
MiamiBasser said:
I feel slight "ROLLING" with these strings, similar to Obligatos but much less of it and only when I pull hard. It happens every so often but I haven't determined which strings are doing it. Anyone else experience that as well?
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On a gig last Friday, I noticed a very minor bit of rolling from my EP weich A-string. Just as you described, I was pulling pretty hard (actually, very hard) at the time and it was nowhere near as drastic as the rolling I've experienced with Obligatos. Felt no rolling from the E, however.

-BCA
 
#339
Got my first comment/complaint last night from a guy I haven't played with since I put the Evah Weichs on, "What happened to the sustain? Your notes seem to die out kind of quickly". I know what he means, after the big front end pop/thump, the sustain, while there, is quite a bit darker than Spiros and other brighter strings. I enjoy playing EPWs quite a bit but I think the sound might be a bit old school for some.
 
#340
Hey Bobby,

I haven't really "chimed in" on the Weichs yet for a few reasons.
1.) I waited to put them on until after I had finished Patsy, so I've only been playing them a couple weeks.
2.) Against the (probably better) advice of some others (durub), I installed a mixed set straight out of the gate rather than trying the full set of EPW. I went with EP Weich E/A, Oliv D/G. So I can't really give any sort of informed opinion regarding the whole set. -And-
3.) Unlike so many others, I never tried the standard gauge EPs, I waited and went straight for the Weichs. So I can't really offer any personal comparisons of the two gauges.

All that having been said...

I LOVE 'EM! I was coming from Golden Spiral D/G, Spiro Mittel E/A and I was worried about the EPWs being too growly (for my taste, anyway) like Spiro weichs. Not the case. Less growl than even the Spiro Mittels I was using. As others have stated (ad infinitum), beautiful, big, warm fundamental to be sure. What I would consider to be a "dry" sounding string, though. Volume-wise, not getting the "brown note" volume that others have raved about but my bass definitely has more projection with the EPWs. They mix well with the Olivs, very consistent in tone and volume across the board. As you had advised me, the Oliv D is a little tubby, but nothing that I can't stand. The tension of the EPWs is the best part; a very playable, "buttery" feel. Nothing like the high tension of the EP standards that I've read about. In fact, the gut Oliv D/G are higher in tension (to my hands, anyway) than the EPWs! Completely the opposite of what I used to with Spiro/Spirals so that's taking a little getting used to. Great arco. The EPWs make even my ham-fisted bowing sound nice! Easy attack.

I came up with what I thought might be a good mixed set of Pirastro strings (EPW E/A, EP Standard D, Oliv G) and wrote to Pirastro for advice before purchasing them. Adrian wrote back and said he thought this would, indeed, be a good mixed set and they'd like to send me a "comp" trial set! I swear I was NOT trolling for free strings but I sure wasn't going to turn them down! So that was the set I received. I had it in my mind, though, that I really wanted to keep gut for both my D as well as my G, so I bought the Oliv D from Quinn. I intend to use this current set for a little while before trying out the EP standard D. And eventually, I want to purchase the EPW D/G just to give the full set a fair shake as durub had advised.

Don't know if that gives you any useful info on the EPWs but I'm very happy with them. I haven't tried a TON of different string like you and others here but, from my limited perspective, the Evahs are definitely a unique sounding string with characteristics that I haven't heard in other strings I've tried. I miss the overtones and growl of the Spiros a little, but the Evahs come pretty darn close to the sound in my head and I think I'll stick with them a while...

...unless I decide that I "need" to try the Chordas or Gamuts! LOL

-Brad
 
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