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Double Bass Evah Pirazzi strings megathread part III

My 2 cents:

I`ve had a full set of Evah weichs on for 6-ish months ( new GD, slightly used AE ) until I shortly visited 4 / 4 medium Spirocores / Spiro m / Evah w mix last week. I find the common claims on dynamical ceiling and weak E to be true, but still the Evahs are totally my choice. Spiro mittels are great strings in just about every aspect, but the thing with Spiros is that they cut thru unlike anything else and they have great tonal pallette pizz and arco, which in delivery demands a lot of attention from the player. For me, Evah w`s work sonically in the gut strings field, but they have strong steel-string-y vibe in their tone and playability. Whereas Spiros cut thru the Evahs place themselves more under everything else in the mix.

During the covid era, I`ve been playing mostly unamplified with my americana / folk band with reso gtr, perc and voices, or my brother`s original music, 100% arco, in the studio. Tonally the Evahs are a great match with both, much more so than the Spiros. However, we recently started a free improv / ambient trio with a violin / el. mandolin player and a very dynamical drummer. I`m amplified thru a Grenadier mic / pre / PA speaker on a pole setup in that mix, and Spiros would be exactly what that sort of more amplified, high-energy-at-times, demands lots of variety in tonal options -sort of thing would need. I can get there with Evahs too and they do sound great, but I certainly can relate to the Spiro praises from jazz / impro players here in TB. In that mix I have to live with the downsides of Evahs.

EP weichs bow like dream on my bass, which has been a revelation with my right shoulder problems. I spent a couple of years learning to bow plain gut and gut / synthetic or steel -mix, and now I`ve become spoiled with the ease of bowing. Which I think is great for me at this point of the learning process -Enjoying playing the music, rather than trying hard to not sound like something, which happens to me with plain gut and Spiros. The clean sound comes out pretty naturally, and when I need to go out with my arco tone, I know how to. My shoulder announces it`s existence every once in a while, but the major problem has been mostly gone. Part of the deal are changes in my practise and playing regimen, but the strings and lower than gut-setup play a big role here.

All in all, for me Evah weichs are the poor mans Eudoxas. They have a strong gut vibe, the low end with complexity on top, and a nice bouncy and stretchy feel, but without gut core headaches. I`ll get the synthetic core headaches instead :cool: However, after 6 - 8 months they still feel similar than after the initial break-in. They have nice and balanced pizz sustain, not too long or short decay. For me this is ideal, there`s not as much need for controlling as with Spiros, I don`t want or need spiro kind of sustain from the double bass. I get a fat nice attack to the note with my right hand, thump so to speak, but the growly sustain is there when I need it. With Spiros I need to dig the thump out and control the excessive growl. For me, Evah weichs are best of both worlds, even with their synthetic core and Pirastro-associated downsides, such as the weak E. Still pretty balanced, and a good compromise. The Dynamical ceiling is there, but with medium+ string height the overall output is definently enough for acoustic playing, both pizz and arco. Their low end carries great in the room, and even outdoors. So, if you find Spiros a bit too much of a good thing and hard to control in your musical reality, and / or if you`re seeking for gut vibe in a steel outfit, this is a great option.

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Has anyone tried the solo set tuned to orchestra pitch? Or even the weich set? Do they have less tension? I like the feel of Spiro solos.
I like the EP's, but when I tried them, they seemed to be very taut. I was thinking that the solos or weichs might be worth checking out. Do they also have the 'ping' on the attack?
I have the solo gauge on my bass tuned to orchestral pitch. I love the feel, tone and the sustain.
 
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I have had my Evah's on now for a little more than a year. Mostly personal (arco) practice, some pizz. I think I got in one or two Community Orchestra concerts and their associated rehearsal rounds. Wondering if they have lost something under the bow and it if is time to change them.

Also wondering about this dynamic ceiling I'm reading and about. Could someone elaborate on that a little bit further? Does that pertain more to Arco than Pizz...or both? Could be my technique or bass but I find when I really dig in with the bow (especially now a year in on these strings) that something feels/sounds like it's missing.

Thanks!
 
wondering about this dynamic ceiling I'm reading and about. Could someone elaborate on that a little bit further? Does that pertain more to Arco than Pizz...or both? Could be my technique or bass but I find when I really dig in with the bow (especially now a year in on these strings) that something feels/sounds like it's missing.

I like both the arco and pizz sound I get from my EP weich set, but there are some things I noticed about the arco response:
When I go for maximum amplitude on an EP string, it’s almost like having a dynamic limiter. It maxes out politely- it doesn’t “quack” as easily under excessive bow weight compared to other string sets I’ve tried. While it does get loud, it is more difficult to achieve an open, lively sound. Getting some of the presence I want required more experimentation with bow speed + weight as I played closer to the bridge.
 
For what it’s worth, I have not experienced this “dynamic limit” issue with the EP orchestra set. COVID notwithstanding, I am often in settings where I am the only bass (theater, Broadway/Pops revue, etc.) and I usually play with just a mic. With these strings I am able to get a big sound that supports a large ensemble out of my lower end plywood.

Where they fall short for me is more apparent now that I am at home playing mostly by myself. I am missing a certain complexity of tone and ease of solo playing with the EP mediums, which have become dull and stiff. This has me jonesing for Spiros...
 
Also wondering about this dynamic ceiling I'm reading and about. Could someone elaborate on that a little bit further? Does that pertain more to Arco than Pizz...or both?

For me, it's a pizz thing. It felt like the threshold, where the string would stop producing more volume and just start getting buzzy/frappy, was lower than the other strings I've played on. It's been a few years since I used these though- and memory can be a funny thing :-)
 
My 2 cents:

I`ve had a full set of Evah weichs on for 6-ish months ( new GD, slightly used AE ) until I shortly visited 4 / 4 medium Spirocores / Spiro m / Evah w mix last week. I find the common claims on dynamical ceiling and weak E to be true, but still the Evahs are totally my choice. Spiro mittels are great strings in just about every aspect, but the thing with Spiros is that they cut thru unlike anything else and they have great tonal pallette pizz and arco, which in delivery demands a lot of attention from the player. For me, Evah w`s work sonically in the gut strings field, but they have strong steel-string-y vibe in their tone and playability. Whereas Spiros cut thru the Evahs place themselves more under everything else in the mix.

During the covid era, I`ve been playing mostly unamplified with my americana / folk band with reso gtr, perc and voices, or my brother`s original music, 100% arco, in the studio. Tonally the Evahs are a great match with both, much more so than the Spiros. However, we recently started a free improv / ambient trio with a violin / el. mandolin player and a very dynamical drummer. I`m amplified thru a Grenadier mic / pre / PA speaker on a pole setup in that mix, and Spiros would be exactly what that sort of more amplified, high-energy-at-times, demands lots of variety in tonal options -sort of thing would need. I can get there with Evahs too and they do sound great, but I certainly can relate to the Spiro praises from jazz / impro players here in TB. In that mix I have to live with the downsides of Evahs.

EP weichs bow like dream on my bass, which has been a revelation with my right shoulder problems. I spent a couple of years learning to bow plain gut and gut / synthetic or steel -mix, and now I`ve become spoiled with the ease of bowing. Which I think is great for me at this point of the learning process -Enjoying playing the music, rather than trying hard to not sound like something, which happens to me with plain gut and Spiros. The clean sound comes out pretty naturally, and when I need to go out with my arco tone, I know how to. My shoulder announces it`s existence every once in a while, but the major problem has been mostly gone. Part of the deal are changes in my practise and playing regimen, but the strings and lower than gut-setup play a big role here.

All in all, for me Evah weichs are the poor mans Eudoxas. They have a strong gut vibe, the low end with complexity on top, and a nice bouncy and stretchy feel, but without gut core headaches. I`ll get the synthetic core headaches instead :cool: However, after 6 - 8 months they still feel similar than after the initial break-in. They have nice and balanced pizz sustain, not too long or short decay. For me this is ideal, there`s not as much need for controlling as with Spiros, I don`t want or need spiro kind of sustain from the double bass. I get a fat nice attack to the note with my right hand, thump so to speak, but the growly sustain is there when I need it. With Spiros I need to dig the thump out and control the excessive growl. For me, Evah weichs are best of both worlds, even with their synthetic core and Pirastro-associated downsides, such as the weak E. Still pretty balanced, and a good compromise. The Dynamical ceiling is there, but with medium+ string height the overall output is definently enough for acoustic playing, both pizz and arco. Their low end carries great in the room, and even outdoors. So, if you find Spiros a bit too much of a good thing and hard to control in your musical reality, and / or if you`re seeking for gut vibe in a steel outfit, this is a great option.

Reiska

I would echo a lot of the points here! Its why I always seem to come back to evah weichs. Currently I have perpetuals after an 8 day vacation (and therefore no bass time) to help me transition back to having some chops. But I can already tell the evahs are gonna be coming back on.
 
I like both the arco and pizz sound I get from my EP weich set, but there are some things I noticed about the arco response:
When I go for maximum amplitude on an EP string, it’s almost like having a dynamic limiter. It maxes out politely- it doesn’t “quack” as easily under excessive bow weight compared to other string sets I’ve tried. While it does get loud, it is more difficult to achieve an open, lively sound. Getting some of the presence I want required more experimentation with bow speed + weight as I played closer to the bridge.

Same experience here. I think i would had liked the EP orchestra(medium) set instead of the Weich. While steel string are not as forgiving under the bow, they tend to have more dynamic range which can equate to a more beautiful and expressive tone.
 
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I think they can give practically any bass a workable, warm, burnished tone and that is initially appealing but the more I used them, I concluded that they are just not a very dynamic string — kind of a one trick pony. And I’m not saying that’s a bad thing. Whatever string is giving you the sound you want, then problem (partially) solved.

If you have a bright bass, I think they are a life saver — perhaps why you see the EPs on so many basses up for sale.
 
It`s been a while but, EP requlars are beautifully loud while still remaining their dark character. In exchange they`re super tight feeling, much too much for my tastes. For strictly arco with low action it would be different story, but for my pizz action preference they`re just too much.
EP regulars were the loudest acoustic sound I ever got on my bass at the time.
 
My current set is Oliv G, Evah Weich D and A, and Evah regular E. I think it's a keeper. FWIW I'm over Spiros. To me their sound is great if you wanna be a dominant voice, but not so good for the overall music. Kinda whiney. Things go in and out of style in the jazz world too. Part of it is that as amplification has gotten better - the whole chain - subtler sounds are coming through and you don't need that metallic edge any more. I find it interesting that lots of people refer to the shortcomings of synthetic strings, but no one mentions the shortcomings of steel. Both exist.
 
Since I haven’t tried the Polychromes yet and only know from discussing the early prototypes with the string designer that they are lower tension than what I liked from my prototypes, the only thing I can say is that both Evahs are higher tension than the Polychromes.
The Evah Weich are similar in tension to the prototypes I liked and also similar in tension to the Innovation Braided.

The A and D from my prototype set were much lower tension than E, G and high C, so I replaced A and D with Braided and this is what I still play.
But the lower tension prototype A and D were the base for the further Polychrome development and that is the reason why I haven’t tried the Polychromes yet. I liked the higher tension strings from the prototypes.
 
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DoubleMIDI, the polychromes may not be quite as low tension as you may believe (although the way you describe your prototypes, the rolled out version probably are a little less tight). I’ve used several sets of these since they first came out and I’d call them “medium to medium low” tension, but in any case, their tensile feel under the fingers is soft, I guess because of the materials used to construct the core.

But then they’ve had this crazy history that revolved around which formula first Innovation, then GHS, was using to make these strings. I’ve used several sets since they first came out and they were not very consistent with each other because of this getting away from the approved formula. Now GHS apparently has regained the original approved formula - I for one am curious enough to try them again, mainly to see if they are different, because the polys had a lot of desirable qualities for me.

I used them extensively and prior to the polys I used EPS extensively. The polys worked better for me as a hybrid string - more dynamic, easier to amplify and a richer, more expressive tone with the bow
 
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