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Everybody still loving their X2 wireless?
- Thread starter cb56
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Quite positive. Signal degradation clearly plays a factor in the delay. The transmitter is battery powered and doesn't have unlimited strength, you know.
I'm intrigued. How can you be quite positive? Specs say range is > 150 ft. Have you done some measurements?
I read that the rack mount version is now shipping. Has anyone received one yet?
"Sacramento, CA August 23, 2007 X2 Digital Wireless Systems, Inc. has announced today that the XDR95 is now shipping and available through authorized dealers. Engineered and manufactured in the USA, the XDR95 is a multichannel 24-bit digital wireless", blah, blah, blah...
Just checking
"Sacramento, CA August 23, 2007 X2 Digital Wireless Systems, Inc. has announced today that the XDR95 is now shipping and available through authorized dealers. Engineered and manufactured in the USA, the XDR95 is a multichannel 24-bit digital wireless", blah, blah, blah...
Just checking
Line of sight. Plus, "specs" tend to be measured in ideal conditions. Most clubs and venues aren't ideal conditions.
Fair enough, but you didn't answer my question.
You're saying that the signal transmission is the reason delay is experienced from a distance. Clearly, the speed of light far outpaces sound. So it's not the time of actual transmission over the air. Signal degradation doesn't make the signal travel any slower. It just means it's harder to reconstruct at the receiver. Do you have some insights into the product's signal processing and it's relative delay?
On what basis are you "quite prositive?"
Sorry I can't give you anything more technical than this: Guitarist and I both have wireless; his is some top-of-the-line professional jobby. We were doing a soundcheck and both were standing at the back of the house. My signal was delayed, his wasn't. When I moved closer, my delay went away and everything was in sinc. Therefore, I'm "quite positive" that the delay was caused by some processing delay in my signal, rather than a delay caused by me being "50' away from my speaker cab."
Nothing more that a little seat of the pants experience and common sense. If you need technical reasons for the delay (either real or perceived), I suggest you call X2.
knarleybass
Commercial User
Perfectly valid, and that does answer my question.
So....what was the product that didn't introduce delay
I had been using a Shure PGX for a few years with good results. I liked the smaller profile of the X2 so I decided to give it a try. My jam room in my basement has all sorts of issues with transmitting and receiving radio signals. There is always a lot of "noise" when I test my wireless in the house. I set up the X2, easy as easy can be, and the first thing I notice is nothing. No noise, dead quiet. I pluck a note and it is loud and clear, just like a cable! My first real world test is Saturday night, my first gig with the X2. We'll see how it goes. I don't anticipate any issues.
Just want to add to the conversation that the delay I experience with the X2 seems about the same as the delay experienced with other wireless units I've owned.
Also I would think this would be more noticable with a bass that is trying to lock in with a drummer that was back onstage than a guitar playing lead or even strumming chords.
I believe radio waves move at the speed of light like captWally says and sound waves are much slower so it's got to be the distance of the player from the speaker cab that causes this.
As alway, I could be wrong.
Also I would think this would be more noticable with a bass that is trying to lock in with a drummer that was back onstage than a guitar playing lead or even strumming chords.
I believe radio waves move at the speed of light like captWally says and sound waves are much slower so it's got to be the distance of the player from the speaker cab that causes this.
As alway, I could be wrong.
That's what I was thinking, but I don't want to discount Incognito's experience either. Still, maybe you have a point about bass vs. guitar, and this delay was more perception based....dunno.
The only possible explanation for an actual delay difference in the units would be signal processing, i.e. the X2 taking more time to convert the received signal to something suitable for the amp.
I'm sure products vary considerably in their quality of signal processing. Otherwise, they wouldn't vary in price and perceived quality. But I would have thought that these variances would manifest themselves as noise and crappy tone as opposed to delay.
another stupid question but, if that were the case wouldn't there be a delay whether standing close or far from the amp?
Well, I guess the logic is that the farther the way you are, the crappier the signal is, and thus it takes longer to process the signal to make it usable by the amp. I think the X2 is digital, so you might be able to do some pretty slick processing to enhance a crappy signal, much like cell phones do.
Again, I wouldn't have guessed a delay would be introduced in this case - just noise and crappy tone. Don't really know though. I'm an engineer, but not that kind.
But Incognito's test is a very interesting data point. Same distance, same room, playing at the same time. One has delay, and the other doesn't.
Did you swap your wireless with your guitarist's? You were playing different instruments you know, different frequencies etc. It's may I say immature to compare the performance of two wireless systems under these circumstances. If you had changed your wireless with your guitarist's and experienced the same thing reversed (your sound getting there faster, his slower) then you could definitely blame the X2 - with only this example, I'm not sure at all.
