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#261
If you don't make Smith-style basses, what's being advertised in those examples earlier on in this thread?
If you don't make Smith-style basses, why use the name in your eBay auction (sub)title?
We've been able to check out your eBay auctions for ourselves, so your reply doesn't make any sense at all.
 
#262
I found a professional luthier and amateur wood worker here, interesting.
Some of my friends in Japan told and email me they found some basses with criminal air. I didn't know, but they told me.
They don't understand everything due to language, but they felt.
Making just copy is very easy way to make money, not Fame. Just name as copy cat. That's the someone's life.
I'm sure people will remember Ken Smith's name for longer than 200 or even 400 years like Stradivari or Amati.
 
#263
The Mule said:
If you don't make Smith-style basses, what's being advertised in those examples earlier on in this thread?
If you don't make Smith-style basses, why use the name in your eBay auction (sub)title?
We've been able to check out your eBay auctions for ourselves, so your reply doesn't make any sense at all.
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:bassist: those listings which did not have the style before the name are old, and before i was aware of keyword spamming, after that, under MY ID on ebay, i did not advertise nor added the name in the title of the listing. What I do now is a lot of custom orders, and I personally dont have much time to mess with ebay anymore... and what i meant by making his basses style, is that i personally dont make them anymore, unless someone sent me an email requesting that body shape STYLE... but make them just to have in stock i dont make anymore. best regards..:bassist:
 
#269
Luchi Luthier said:
those listings which did not have the style before the name are old, and before i was aware of keyword spamming, after that, under MY ID on ebay, i did not advertise nor added the name in the title of the listing.
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which of the many closed eBay ID's are you referring to? this is definitely not true for the ID you used prior to exxtremeluthier

Luchi Luthier said:
What I do now is a lot of custom orders, and I personally dont have much time to mess with ebay anymore...
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could this be because eBay has finally banned you completely? I see that the auctions you had listed just last week under exxtremeluthier have all been cancelled - even those that had a bid or two on them. looks like eBay knows the truth on your misuse of Ken's honorable name and reputation.

Luchi Luthier said:
and what i meant by making his basses style, is that i personally dont make them anymore, unless someone sent me an email requesting that body shape STYLE... but make them just to have in stock i dont make anymore
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so you DO still MAKE THEM, and here you admit it for all of us to read.

Your deceptive auctions on eBay, and your total lack of intergrity here on TB bring shame on those who are real luthiers/builders. Your actions and deceit directly and indirectly hurt those who choose to honorably conduct business. It is sad that you have chosen to walk the dishonorable path with your building business, and in so doing bring harm to so many honorable small builders who depend on the trust and integrity between them and their clients ... clients who are now less willing to take a chance on a custom bass and/or guitar unless thay have physically played it first.

your actions on eBay and here bring a new low to the international bass building community :rollno:

R
 
#272
chill out guys.
Nobody who knows or would buy a alembic could possibly buy his fakes without knowing that they are fakes..
I mean,this guy seems to be really good at making guitars.
I think everyone should relax a bit...
 
#273
I think that his ks style basses are taking NO business out of Ken Smith, cuz someone with that kind of cash to put on a real ks is certainly not going to switch and buy Luchi Luthier's ks style basses. And you need abundant cash to get a real one, so why should he not try to make a quality ks inspired bass for the workingman. But yeah, if its not quality, then forget about it.

And 10% of his revenue should go the KEN SMITH cuz its his artwork of that bass style and cuz hes a P I M P.
 
#274
DMB said:
If this is true, why are they being sold on Ebay rather than directly to the "person" who "asked" you to make it??
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:bassist: because first, there is nothing wrong in selling a body shape as a style of it, as long of course, the name brand is not mentioned in the title of the listing, just 1 reference to the name brand is allowed in the description of the listing. second, a lot of people few confortable buying thru ebay...not that all sales come from ebay, after a few items one aquire, ebay is no longer necessary to supply the needs of each customer. Not that all basses sold are KS, actually, it is not the first style bass i get requests for... i wish it was, because i think KS basses are beautiful.. and i have designed a bass which is inspired in a KS bass, and i wish i had the talent he has to finish my basses... some of KS basses are just beautiful..:bassist:
 
#275
Nojja said:
chill out guys.
Nobody who knows or would buy a alembic could possibly buy his fakes without knowing that they are fakes..
I mean,this guy seems to be really good at making guitars.
I think everyone should relax a bit...
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:bassist: you may call "fakes", but the style basses which one can afford, sometimes make their day, buy being able to have not the real name brand, but just the feeling of having something that look like the name brand, but with some production specs differences... :bassist:
 
#276
:bassist:
Nojja said:
chill out guys.
Nobody who knows or would buy a alembic could possibly buy his fakes without knowing that they are fakes..
I mean,this guy seems to be really good at making guitars.
I think everyone should relax a bit...
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:bassist: i've done a bass to a person in texas, which was a gift to his son. he was a father that was feeling as a failure because he could not afford nor maintain his son musical needs... he bought a bass from me off ebay and i've put all together for him, all electronics and hardware. he gave the bass as a Xmas gift to his son. Was it a style bass? yes! was i able to make the day of one? yes. that was worth!:bassist:
 
#278
Here's my 2 cents on the whole subject. It is wrong to use his name claiming that the instrument was made by, or licensed by Ken when it was not. I think we were clear on that, and no one is arguing that fact. As for the word spam using Ken Smith "style", that is a minor technicality rule breakage, big whoop. No different than Rondo music selling their cheap crap knock offs, with FREE FENDER PICKS just to get the word fender in the ad. Maybe if this builder raised his price by 20 bucks, and threw in a set of Ken Smith strings, poster, or whatever else he could find....it would be a clear way to beat the rule without violating it. How many of you throwing stones here own an SX? So not only do you buy instruments with their design ripped off, but it is okay for one guy to word spam, and not another?

How many of you own a fender knock off? 80% or better I am guessing. Sugar coat it all you'd like, it's the EXACT Same thing. Difference is, some of the Fender knock offs are 4-5x the price of the originals, on a design they had nothing to do with. Ken himself licensed his name to be used on an import fender knock-off line. Not that they aren't fine basses, but they are what they are.

This fella making knock offs at a reasonable price is no more wrong than any other company copying other time tested designs......headstock notched differently or not. Personally, I love project instruments and would consider putting one of these together myself. Not saying it is right, or it's wrong....but the hypocrisy here is astounding.

Lastly, our brazilian friend is also a talkbass member, and is to be treated with the same respect, and fall under the same rules as everyone else, unless I am mistaken....the insults and name calling are childish and uncalled for.

Hey Luchi, want a fair and balanced review of your work? Send me one of your choice....I will personally assemble it, set it up, and bring it to the next Bowlus bass bash for inspection and input/reviews from some of the biggest hitters on talkbass.
 
#279
I don't think it's the knock-off issue that's the problem. The problem is, at least for many of the listings I've seen, is that he advertises them as "Alembic" or "Ken Smith" or "Fodera". They're not listed as knock-offs but as the names they resemble.
 
#280
bassjigga said:
I don't think it's the knock-off issue that's the problem. The problem is, at least for many of the listings I've seen, is that he advertises them as "Alembic" or "Ken Smith" or "Fodera". They're not listed as knock-offs but as the names they resemble.
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B-I-NGO, B-I-NGO, B-I-NGO and Bingo is this poin-to! :scowl:
 
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