Fearful Part 14: one better than 13!

[MSUsousaphone]

I'll try that. I can't afford to get it made and I'm not overly skilled to where I want to deviate from the plans. Is it just as simple as moving the hole and installing the hardware in that different spot.....or would it be more involved like moving other innards around and stuff?

 

[Foz]

nothing to it... you just drill an extra hole and move the part [everything wires up the same].

 

[JdoubleH]

^ That.

Just as easy as tweaking any knob on the amp. Here's mine:

I'm half tempted to mount mine on the baffle (switches too), as I'm going with round grills.

Then it occurred to me that if i were building a 1516/66, I should really include one if these:

You know, just in case clothes start falling off or something...

 

[Bardley]

I'm half tempted to mount mine on the baffle (switches too), as I'm going with round grills.

Then it occurred to me that if i were building a 1516/66, I should really include one if these:


You know, just in case clothes start falling off or something...

You may need one of these on the side, as well...

 

[canadian*eh]

I'm half tempted to mount mine on the baffle (switches too), as I'm going with round grills.

Then it occurred to me that if i were building a 1516/66, I should really include one if these:

You know, just in case clothes start falling off or something...

Oh Trust Me You Almost Need that with the 66!! That Beast will rattle everything that is not tied down....have had a few things fall of the shelf already when playing through that cab!! That being said my 15/6/1 is not much better....that lil cab pack a Major Punch!!

 

[smeet]

I'm half tempted to mount mine on the baffle (switches too), as I'm going with round grills.

From a practicality standpoint, I really like this idea! I've never seen that, I wonder if would weaken the baffle too much to put another hole in it.

 

[singlemalt]

I like the idea of putting it on the front too. Perfect little space between the mid chamber and the side. Run the wiring along the baffle brace/mid chamber.

I never liked having to reach around the back of a cab and fumble for the tweeter controls. Half the time you can't reach your rig without climbing over the drummer's stuff.

 

[Robby Hoinsky]

From a practicality standpoint, I really like this idea! I've never seen that, I wonder if would weaken the baffle too much to put another hole in it.

I'm sure it will be fine, you're not talking about a huge grand canyon size cut out.

Question for those who have tweeter L-pads: How often do you find yourself adjusting it? Once to get it right? every gig? every song?

Robby

 

[butcher]

What if you just mounted it to the grill like these. Then you just need a small hole for the wiring...

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[Scogman]

I'm sure it will be fine, you're not talking about a huge grand canyon size cut out.

Question for those who have tweeter L-pads: How often do you find yourself adjusting it? Once to get it right? every gig? every song?

Robby

I don't mess with it much at all. I usually keep it off while playing bass. I had Ron put the tweet in (just in case) for the times that I may use for a keyboard, drum machine, or run full range music.

 

[singlemalt]

My horn control is on the front of my GK 1001 rb 2. I don't use the cab crossover for the horns, I just wired them direct to the GK with the number 2 speakon connectors.

I don't mess with it that often. A good bit of the time it's turned all the way down. It's nice when I want a more acoustic sound on quieter tunes.

 

[smeet]

I don't mess with it much. I would like it on the front mostly for feedback, in case I don't remember whether or not I turned the tweeter off or whatever. Not really a big deal to me either way though.

 

[canadian*eh]

same here once it is set it is set....unless i am changing styles from say a finger style to slap the i will give it a lil adjustment but not much just enough to add a lil edge or take a lil off. Where mine is on the side is just perfect way nicer the having it on the back like all of my former bass cabs. i personally would not see a need for having it on the front. i would say stick it on the side and forget about it

 

[MSUsousaphone]

Cool. Thanks, guys. I've never put a lot of thought into it. I've always had a tweeter or two and I really dig my tweeter on when playing clean. I set it at about 65% and left it for years. It wasn't until recently when I started really refining my pedal board that I started hearing how bad it was for my fuzzes. A control on the side would be easy to deal with and sounds like the best answer. Pretty sure I'll be ordering kits for a 15/6/1 and a 15/6 once my old rig sells. Just gotta do some research and find out which tweeter option I'll go with.

TO THE SEARCH FEATURE!!!!

 

[JdoubleH]

I don't mess with it much at all. I usually keep it off while playing bass. I had Ron put the tweet in (just in case) for the times that I may use for a keyboard, drum machine, or run full range music.

You raise a good point- I might be better served by a tweeter kill switch than an "El Pad". At least on the baffle, anyhow.

 

[JdoubleH]

Cool. Thanks, guys. I've never put a lot of thought into it. I've always had a tweeter or two and I really dig my tweeter on when playing clean. I set it at about 65% and left it for years. It wasn't until recently when I started really refining my pedal board that I started hearing how bad it was for my fuzzes. A control on the side would be easy to deal with and sounds like the best answer. Pretty sure I'll be ordering kits for a 15/6/1 and a 15/6 once my old rig sells. Just gotta do some research and find out which tweeter option I'll go with.

TO THE SEARCH FEATURE!!!!

I'm going with the Eminence asd1001 (around $30) and the Dayton wave guide ($7). I don't anticipate using it much with bass, but want it just to have a full range option. But from everything I've read, it works very well either way. It is much less expensive than the 18Sound. I haven't ordered it yet (or the hf xover), but I've got the wave guide and will just plug it for now. I'll probably put off ordering it for a few weeks and just use the cab without to get a good sense of how it works for bass as a 2 way. Greenboy has assured me there is so much hf content in the range that E bass produces from the 6 that the hf driver isn't really a requirement for most users. We shall see!

 

[Robby Hoinsky]

Greenboy has assured me there is so much hf content in the range that E bass produces from the 6 that the hf driver isn't really a requirement for most users. We shall see!

I'll 2nd that. For most styles and sounds, you might barely notice whether the tweet is on or off. I recommend having one, just in case you use it for full range music like when playing along to a track or for keys, e-drums, or PA use. For upright, the tweeter makes a quite noticeable difference. It' such a small investment compared to the cab that it just makes sense to have it and not need it than the other way around.

Robby

P.S. The plans call for a square cutout for the Dayton horn, but you can use a 4" diameter circular hole instead.

 

[monkeyfinger]

I think it would help many potential buyers/builders if they understood what the frequencies above 6k meant to them. Here is a suggestion. Try playing your bass through as uncolored an amp system as you can. A decent DI into a pa or recording mixer with decent headphones or monitors should do the trick. Add a good eq, graphic or parametric, to the signal path. Push 6.5k up by 10-15db using a narrow band. Do you hear a difference? If little or none, your bass or playing style doesn't produce a noticeable amount of content above 6k. I suspect strongly that most players will not hear any noticeable difference.

 

[JdoubleH]

I think it would help many potential buyers/builders if they understood what the frequencies above 6k meant to them. Here is a suggestion. Try playing your bass through as uncolored an amp system as you can. A decent DI into a pa or recording mixer with decent headphones or monitors should do the trick. Add a good eq, graphic or parametric, to the signal path. Push 6.5k up by 10-15db using a narrow band. Do you hear a difference? If little or none, your bass or playing style doesn't produce a noticeable amount of content above 6k. I suspect strongly that most players will not hear any noticeable difference.

+1

The most I've heard anyone say about the tweeter in the 15/6/1 for electric bass is that it is slightly noticeable when it's turned OFF - only because it adds a very subtle amount of air or presence when on.

Again, I'm not sold on needing an LPad for bass . I'm tempted to just wire an in/off switch before the hf xover to be able to use it when running keys / vocals through it. For bass, I anticipate running 2 way primarily.

 

[barryaudio]

The most I've heard anyone say about the tweeter in the 15/6/1 for electric bass is that it is slightly noticeable when it's turned OFF - only because it adds a very subtle amount of air or presence when on.

Ok, I'll be on the "other side" of this. I notice it very much. But...this may be my particular setup and style of playing.

Question for those who have tweeter L-pads: How often do you find yourself adjusting it? Once to get it right? every gig? every song?

Robby

I gotta agree with what Robby is getting at here. IMO, a high-low switch is must more appropriate (for those that may be adding cabs for different gigs). for those of you that are adventurous, once you find out the level that works for you, pull out that variable lpad and replace it with a fixed.

A variable lpad for bass MI use is overkill. It's perfectly appropriate to get a rough adjustment with a fixed lpad and do the rest with EQ. However, for some reason the variable lpad is a security blanket so I guess it has become standard.