money is not an issue i am well off. I like a punchy tone with a thumpy low. But I want people to hear the licks and nuances of my playing. When I was using the iamp800 a friend of mine told me the sound was very bassy but he could not hear my licks that is why i used the markbass in the video
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Fearful thread part 15 (/6?)
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Quite honestly I couldnt really discern your playing in that video.
I dont really care for the Markbass heads. I would check out some of the GK heads, Ampeg hybrids, Mesa M6/9, and maybe a pre/power set up. Your ear will tell you whats right.
Personally I am digging my ART pro channel II with my IPR. It is pretty transparent and depending on your bass and playing style can really cut through a mix. The idea of the GK MB800 Fusion does have me gassing a bit though.
Listen every one that agrees with me is right, and every one that disagrees can go eff themselves....
That answer is easy: All of them.
Only if you can swing a redhead, blonde, and brunette at the same time.
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CL400Peavey said:Only if you can swing a redhead, blonde, and brunette at the same time.
You can do this as long as you don't mind the baffle color and the port Olof not matching.
You can do this as long as you don't mind the baffle color and the port Olof not matching.
I like to try out as many of those rigs as possible. When I throw down the cash to buy I want things to match.
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Ok dudes,back on topic...
I'm surprised you were not able to get a good tone from the iamp. It has a very versatile EQ section. Do you remember what kind of settings you were using?
I'm surprised you were not able to get a good tone from the iamp. It has a very versatile EQ section. Do you remember what kind of settings you were using?
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+1
That's a great head. I'd start with that. The shuttlemax is fine, but what makes it appealing to you vs. the iamp 800?
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IME, the trick to getting the best tone out of the iAMPs is to be sure and run the input gain high enough. These things are set up list recording console channels, and I get the best results by pushing the input signals as hot as I can without clipping the input. While YMMV, of course, I typically get my best results when using my iAMPs with little to no EQ (I probably run with the EQ bypassed most of the time). Again, that is just IME/IMHO.
Tom.
That's a good point I forgot to mention. People think they are super quiet because you have to crank the crap out of the input.
I still found I liked a lot of upper bass boost.
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Some iamp ideas:
Try setting the "Hi Mid" centered at about 4.5kHz (1/2 octave) and the "Hi" at its highest setting (8kHz). Set all the controls flat. Set your tweeter lpad on the cab to about 3/4 of max. You should be able to add articulation or remove scratchiness by playing with the Hi Mid control +/- keeping it at that center frequency. If you need more punch, center the low at about 70Hz and try to boost a little. If that is too boomy, try centering at about 125Hz.
Try setting the "Hi Mid" centered at about 4.5kHz (1/2 octave) and the "Hi" at its highest setting (8kHz). Set all the controls flat. Set your tweeter lpad on the cab to about 3/4 of max. You should be able to add articulation or remove scratchiness by playing with the Hi Mid control +/- keeping it at that center frequency. If you need more punch, center the low at about 70Hz and try to boost a little. If that is too boomy, try centering at about 125Hz.
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I have a customer who uses an Iamp and is getting a Fearless 215wide next week...will report as soon as he gets into town and give it a test spin
Hi fEARful fans,
After reading for hours and hours the last few days (promted by myself and bandmates not hearing me at our shows), I like the science and what I've read about fEARfuls. I can't wait to start listening to recordings and (gasp) trying a real one to see if I like them.
Anyhow, as I plan this whole transition to fEARful out, I realize I will probably have an underpowered head, especially if I only go with a single woofer setup. I've got the shuttle 6.0 (375 @ 8 ohms, 600 @ 4 ohms). I play with acoustic, electric, keys, drums, and 3 vocals. So...
(1) quick comments on YOU using a single 12/6 or a single 15/6 at club/outdoor venues (have you found yours to be loud enough with your group, etc.), and
(2) how much power are you delivering to it?
(3, optional) am I stupid for trying to play a live 5-piece show with a 12/6 or 15/6 powered with 375 watts (and house PAs)?
TB rocks!
-steelin
After reading for hours and hours the last few days (promted by myself and bandmates not hearing me at our shows), I like the science and what I've read about fEARfuls. I can't wait to start listening to recordings and (gasp) trying a real one to see if I like them.
Anyhow, as I plan this whole transition to fEARful out, I realize I will probably have an underpowered head, especially if I only go with a single woofer setup. I've got the shuttle 6.0 (375 @ 8 ohms, 600 @ 4 ohms). I play with acoustic, electric, keys, drums, and 3 vocals. So...
(1) quick comments on YOU using a single 12/6 or a single 15/6 at club/outdoor venues (have you found yours to be loud enough with your group, etc.), and
(2) how much power are you delivering to it?
(3, optional) am I stupid for trying to play a live 5-piece show with a 12/6 or 15/6 powered with 375 watts (and house PAs)?
TB rocks!
-steelin
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I have owned the shuttle 6 in the past and I currently own a 15/6 and 12/6.Hi fEARful fans,
After reading for hours and hours the last few days (promted by myself and bandmates not hearing me at our shows), I like the science and what I've read about fEARfuls. I can't wait to start listening to recordings and (gasp) trying a real one to see if I like them.
Anyhow, as I plan this whole transition to fEARful out, I realize I will probably have an underpowered head, especially if I only go with a single woofer setup. I've got the shuttle 6.0 (375 @ 8 ohms, 600 @ 4 ohms). I play with acoustic, electric, keys, drums, and 3 vocals. So...
(1) quick comments on YOU using a single 12/6 or a single 15/6 at club/outdoor venues (have you found yours to be loud enough with your group, etc.), and
(2) how much power are you delivering to it?
(3, optional) am I stupid for trying to play a live 5-piece show with a 12/6 or 15/6 powered with 375 watts (and house PAs)?
TB rocks!
-steelin
*If* you have PA support at all times you will be okay, but I believe its quite likely you'll want more. The Shuttle 6 is a bit weak in the lows from what I remember and these cabs sound very good with a healthy dose of low-end IMO.
So if you really want to keep that amp I suggest getting a 1212/6 or one of the 4 ohm options. Another possibility is perhaps using your shuttle as a preamp to drive a poweramp. That would sound good and you get a ton of power if so desired.
If you are planning on only one cab, I'd personally go with the 15/6. Though the tone of the two is quite similar the 15/6 will definitely give you more output and I can all but guarantee the 15/6 will work for all your shows... unless you are playing at "war volume" or you are in a huge hall without PA support etc.
I would bet big that a 15/6 would work well for the vast majority of bassists. Get the 15/6 and upgrade your amp later? Or add a power amp etc?
To answer your questions specifically:
1. a 15/6 is definitely loud enough outdoors with PA support... possibly without pa support depending on how loud the band is.
Here is a clip of me playing outdoors with my 15/6. No pa support, but we are not a loud band:
2. In that clip I am using a gkmb500 which gives 350w at 8 ohms... and plenty of room on the dial. I now have a gk mb800 which gives me 500w at 8 ohms which is enough for almost any situation I play. Rarely I may use both my 15/6 and 12/6 with the 800w but that's maybe twice a year... really I could get away with just the 15/6 but lots of power is fun.
Anyway, I like 500w at a minimum
3. As mentioned 375w of shuttle watts with PA support should be fine with a 15/6
I guess it depends on your stage volume.
In my case: four piece rock band - drums, bass, acoustic & electric guitars, 3 vocals. Mixed around the acoustic output of the drums.
I often use a single 12/6 with an amp head capable of ~450 watts. (There's no audible difference between 375 and 450 watts.) Indoors or outdoors it's enough to make it difficult for me to hear the drums. I occaisonally sub in a band with 2 cranked 1/2 stacks. With that band I take 2x 12/6 cabs and more power...and need to stand directly in front of the drums.
I prefer the size and weight of the 12/6, but if you're more concerned about volume than size/weight, go with the more efficient 15/6.
One of the biggest advantages to having a cab with a dedicated small format mid driver is that the wider dispersion helps you be heard better on stage.
In my case: four piece rock band - drums, bass, acoustic & electric guitars, 3 vocals. Mixed around the acoustic output of the drums.
I often use a single 12/6 with an amp head capable of ~450 watts. (There's no audible difference between 375 and 450 watts.) Indoors or outdoors it's enough to make it difficult for me to hear the drums. I occaisonally sub in a band with 2 cranked 1/2 stacks. With that band I take 2x 12/6 cabs and more power...and need to stand directly in front of the drums.
I prefer the size and weight of the 12/6, but if you're more concerned about volume than size/weight, go with the more efficient 15/6.
One of the biggest advantages to having a cab with a dedicated small format mid driver is that the wider dispersion helps you be heard better on stage.
