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Fender American Thin Skin Roasted Telecaster Bass

I don't worry about the negative people on here as they tend to be clearly labelled (like brightly coloured poisonous frogs in the jungle). I worry about the sheer number of members on here who see anything that reads like a negative critique of a bass and somehow take it personally. Clearly a good number lack the emotional maturity necessary to handle this sort of information without perceiving it as a personal slight. If I criticise a bass, this isn't a personal attack on anyone. I'm not criticising your bass, your choice of bass or your choice of manufacturer. This sort of language shouldn't upset anybody. I'm not killing any buzz just by sharing my opinion on something. A good chunk of people on here just aren't emotionally capable of parsing writing in this matter.

Pete Wells reviews Guy Fieri's restaurant in Times Square in the NYT. What Pete laid out was a detailed and damning critique of everything wrong with the food he sampled and why, by extension, this made Fieri seem non-credible as a chef, restauranter and self-proclaimed foodie. Most people thought that the article was a brilliant hatchet job, but of course there will always be the corner of Twitter who thinks that Pete Wells is simply an ******* for saying mean things.

Beyond that, do you reckon the CEO of Fender is up at night crying into his pillow because somebody out there doesn't like Pau Ferro fretboards? He isn't upset, so nobody here has to get upset on his behalf.

To flesh out my first post in here slightly:

  • I like the '51-style P bass platform, but my tastes are conservative here. I would rather see a single pickup on this bass and maybe a 2-saddle compensation bridge. The split P pickup is too much like those Mike Dirnt basses for me (I owned one, and it sounded like every other P bass but had a fatter neck and weighed more than most). A '51 P bass with a chrome Thunderbird pickup would be cool, and even a MusicMan style humbucker would be interesting. These basses lend themselves to a sort of one-pickup straight ahead simplicity.
  • This bass looks like it was designed by committee. The flat black pickguard looks cheap against the high gloss finish, whereas against a more satin finish it would look elegant. It is too matte to be a direct copy of an original lacquered '50s pickguard, so it simply looks a bit odd. had Fender stuck a black bridge and control plate on the bass then it might have looked more cohesive. In its place I would prefer a 3-ply parchment pickguard to make the instrument visually lighter (and to lend a nod to '70s Telecaster basses, squaring the circle if you like).
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  • The PJ pickup set has been done to death. I don't personally like the sound of the two pickups on at the same time in a PJ setup. At best it is a passable impression of a Jazz bass, and at worst it has a horrible mix of muddy bass and twangy, brittle treble tones that is powerful but pretty ugly to listen to. A bit of brains has to go into making a noiseless PJ set that balances nicely.

  • I don't like hum you get from a single coil J pickup and the way that hum variously blends into the tone depending on settings. A PJ pickup setup seems like a jaded stab at adding functionality and tonal diversity to a bass design. Look at import builders like Cort and you notice their basic P bass copy costs $250 and their PJ copy costs $275 because it is the bland 'cheesy garlic bread versus plain garlic bread' upgrade that every import manufacturer goes for.
  • Roasted maple is a bit faddy thanks to MusicMan, and if not done nicely can simply look like dirty maple. In my opinion this bass looks like a dark, dirty bass in need of a clean, with too many muddy brown hues in the mix.

  • I don't like any advertising copy that claims that a modern thin nitro finish, which is likely mixed with more plasticizers than a vintage nitro finish would have been, adds any sort of tonal properties. This is doubly true if it is sprayed over a generic thick Fender sealer coat. This is triply true if the same advertising copy claims that nitro lets the 'wood breathe'. Advertising like this appears to assume we are stupid and easily fooled.

  • Fender used nitro back in the day because it was prevalent, easy to apply and quick to finish off. I sincerely doubt it was chosen for any sort of tonal properties. This vague appeal to nostalgia is anything but pioneering or exciting, in my opinion.
 
That's uncanny. Back in 1997 I had a MIJ '51 reissue. Got it stripped and oiled by a really good local tech who routed out a J-pup at the rear. He also put in double-ganged pots. That bass looked just like the one in the OP's post, but with the single coil still at the middle.
 
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While I was looking for a roasted 5 string, neck and body. I came across this thread ... well I pickup a copy of this Fender Tele, thin skinned, 7.85 lbs baby. (I did go to warmoth and price roasted on roasted ...) But I liked the fact that the wildwood website had Hi-res photos and weights listed for the finished instruments. And lots of good talk about them (wildwood) around the web.
 
"Thin skin roasted" sounds like a more apt description for food than for a musical instrument. I like '50s P basses as a platform, but this seems a bit of a cliche, really.

The bass is a perfectly nice Schecter Model T copy, if nothing else. :laugh:

I wish Fender didn't resort to the PJ setup whenever they feel vaguely experimental. I also don't buy the 'thin skin' schtick as I bet there is a sealer coat under the thin nitro skin. There is definitely grain filler going on there.

"The wood breathes" is plain bollocks, and we deserve better than this sort of schtick. Wood that can breathe is wood that can crack, no?
I like the cut of your jib
 
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View attachment 3401330 While I was looking for a roasted 5 string, neck and body. I came across this thread ... well I pickup a copy of this Fender Tele, thin skinned, 7.85 lbs baby. (I did go to warmoth and price roasted on roasted ...) But I liked the fact that the wildwood website had Hi-res photos and weights listed for the finished instruments. And lots of good talk about them (wildwood) around the web.

Nice grab - congrats! Post a pic with the contours.
 
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"Thin skin roasted" sounds like a more apt description for food than for a musical instrument. I like '50s P basses as a platform, but this seems a bit of a cliche, really.

The bass is a perfectly nice Schecter Model T copy, if nothing else. :laugh:

I wish Fender didn't resort to the PJ setup whenever they feel vaguely experimental. I also don't buy the 'thin skin' schtick as I bet there is a sealer coat under the thin nitro skin. There is definitely grain filler going on there.

"The wood breathes" is plain bollocks, and we deserve better than this sort of schtick. Wood that can breathe is wood that can crack, no?
respectfully disagree. That thing looks super cool and I bet it's a joy to play. :)
 
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View attachment 3401330 While I was looking for a roasted 5 string, neck and body. I came across this thread ... well I pickup a copy of this Fender Tele, thin skinned, 7.85 lbs baby. (I did go to warmoth and price roasted on roasted ...) But I liked the fact that the wildwood website had Hi-res photos and weights listed for the finished instruments. And lots of good talk about them (wildwood) around the web.
Beautiful bass!
 
I just bought this bass. It's funny, everything I've read that people hate about this bass are all the reasons I bought it on sight. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I love roasted necks, i'm a sucker for it. I love the rustic look. I love the pick guard. It's my favorite neck fender makes, with a satin finish to boot. String through body.

I've almost always played a PJ and I always think of it as a P bass with the option to add a little bridge in there when you need a little more focus and stability in the mids, like say for distortion/fuzz.

This seems to be in the 'American Vintage' realm of instruments. Which is just fine by me. I have an AVRI 59 strat that is magical.

I am going to rock the $hiT outta this bass.

YMMV!
 

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I bought this one, deep warm woody sound, no clacky highs, nice to be able dial in a little Jazz pup for bite and definition, slick and fast neck, rock hard like ebony, love the satinized finish, perfect frets, (8.0lbs./.82/1.00) They call it a '63 C', I've owned one, it's not, but close enough, mostly it just plays great. And the first time ever in my 50 years of playing that I got a Fender that was set up correctly right out of the box, must've been the Wildwood guys. I've owned many Fender basses over the decades, this one is unique and a real pros instrument. They only made 50, so it'll retain value, fit and finish is perfect, but without the Custom Shop price tag and the same price as regular Fender basses (2K). If you don't mind the slab body, you'll like it, a good honest instrument worth every penny. It's real purdy too ;)
 
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View attachment 3423648 I bought one, deep woody sound, nice to be able dial in a little Jazz pup for bite and definition, slick and fast neck. (8lbs./.82/1.00) They call it a '63' C, I've owned one, it's not, but close enough, mostly it just plays great. And the first time ever in my 50 years of playing that I got a Fender that was set up correctly right out of the box, must've been the Wildwood guys. I've owned many Fender basses over the decades, this one is unique and a real pros instrument. They only made 50, so it'll retain value and it's really well made but without the Custom Shop price tag. You can't go wrong if you get one. It's real purdy too ;)

Wow! Congratulations on a great looking bass that's a player too! I got to get on this train!
 
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Well, I sent the bass back. Lets say I had a miss communication with them about the set up and in the end, I decided to return the bass. I had no issues in the process, they (Wildwood) were very professional.

The roasted material, imo, has a noticeable impact on the sound and feel on the instrument.
I don't know why it's taking the builders so long in adapting the technology. They are truly very nice basses.

... I did return to searching for a roasted 5-string. Fender want a "masterbuild" to do the new Elite V Jazz Bass with roasted material... It's just out of my ballpark (starting at +4k over the price of the bass) to go for it.
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Hmm metal nonsense. Awful. I love it. This combined with the hype buy in gives me a decent sense of where you are going.

BTW, you never hear metal or heavy music people say "all that Americana BS". They tend to eat their own.
Marketing instruments to one genre of music when they can be used for any genre is what makes their marketing awful. It's a silly mistake that severely limits them.