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Fender Bassman 100T - chapter 2

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Greetings,

I've got an SB300 and the fan on mine is on quite a bit and I'd rather keep it that way. As fans go it's quieter than the fan I had on my ole SVT and is better than having no fan at all as in my departed YBA300. Although I really enjoyed my YBA300 IMO the lack of a cooling fan was its only weakness.

Rezdog
 
Greetings,

I've got an SB300 and the fan on mine is on quite a bit and I'd rather keep it that way. As fans go it's quieter than the fan I had on my ole SVT and is better than having no fan at all as in my departed YBA300. Although I really enjoyed my YBA300 IMO the lack of a cooling fan was its only weakness.

Rezdog

It's been a year since I talked to Fender tech support about it, but I'm pretty sure they said the SB300's fan is designed to come on during normal use. But for sure they said, like the manual, that the 100T's fan is designed to come on only if it starts to melt down. So that's why I believe mine has a defective heat sensor. It certainly doesn't get any hotter than any other tube amp I've been around, and the fan comes on when the amp reaches a 'normal' tube hotness it seems, even at rehearsal. Maybe my 100T accidentally got a SB300 sensor. Whatever, it's working the way I think a fan should.
 
I played a four hour outdoor gig last night. For power, we run a 220 line to a splitter box and everything plugs into that. It's always been more than enough power to run all our amps and lights. Last night, we had insufficient power coming through the 220 line for some reason. Our mains kept cutting out and our guitarists' Marshalls kept cutting out and their power lights kept flickering. We ultimately had to kill the amps on half the PA and limp through the rest of the show. My 100t, however, performed flawlessly -- pretty much the only piece of equipment that didn't suffer from the power issues.
 
Played a second outdoor gig sat night with my replacement head (first one had bias issue) and it performed flawlessly again. It was on for 3+ hours, and to my knowledge, the fan never came on. It was extremely hot. I think I'm gonna hook up an auxiliary fan from now on to keep things cooler. I don't like the fact that the fan is there but isn't on in high heat situations. The band was drenched in sweat from the oppressive humidity.

The amp rocked though! Crowd was rather lame though (private party) lol.
 
Have you guys seen this one review of the Bassman Neo 410 cab on MF?

"Nice cabs but for the money not worth it. Both the 4x10 and 1x15 sound great at lower volumns but whe you turn up the volumn a strange buzzing sound comes from either the speakers and/or the grill cloth. Had them both in the shop and the techs tried some buffering material under the grill cloth which helped a bit but did not stop the sound. For the money I paid for these cabs they should not be making any noises at all. I'm trading these in PRONTO because they are basically useless unless you're playing at very low volumns."

Can anybody speak to this issue? I'm looking into replacing my Berg HS410 with a Neo 410. I know I'm going to be sacrificing some sound quality, but the lighter weight and the way it'll look beneath my 100t is enough to make it worth it for me. But not if this review has a lot of truth to it.

Thanks for the help!
 
The 410 neo does not buzz in any way from my experience at high volumes. Now the light fixtures in my house are a different story. :)

This thread (and the part 1 thread) are full of positive reviews of the 410 neo and none of them mention buzzing to my recollection. The MF review sounds like an anomaly to me.
 
Have you guys seen this one review of the Bassman Neo 410 cab on MF?

"Nice cabs but for the money not worth it. Both the 4x10 and 1x15 sound great at lower volumns but whe you turn up the volumn a strange buzzing sound comes from either the speakers and/or the grill cloth. Had them both in the shop and the techs tried some buffering material under the grill cloth which helped a bit but did not stop the sound. For the money I paid for these cabs they should not be making any noises at all. I'm trading these in PRONTO because they are basically useless unless you're playing at very low volumns."

Can anybody speak to this issue? I'm looking into replacing my Berg HS410 with a Neo 410. I know I'm going to be sacrificing some sound quality, but the lighter weight and the way it'll look beneath my 100t is enough to make it worth it for me. But not if this review has a lot of truth to it.

Thanks for the help!

FWIW, I did not experience any such buzzing sounds with the 610 Neo, and I gigged it several times, under very loud settings.
 
Have you guys seen this one review of the Bassman Neo 410 cab on MF?

"Nice cabs but for the money not worth it. Both the 4x10 and 1x15 sound great at lower volumns but whe you turn up the volumn a strange buzzing sound comes from either the speakers and/or the grill cloth. Had them both in the shop and the techs tried some buffering material under the grill cloth which helped a bit but did not stop the sound. For the money I paid for these cabs they should not be making any noises at all. I'm trading these in PRONTO because they are basically useless unless you're playing at very low volumns."

Can anybody speak to this issue? I'm looking into replacing my Berg HS410 with a Neo 410. I know I'm going to be sacrificing some sound quality, but the lighter weight and the way it'll look beneath my 100t is enough to make it worth it for me. But not if this review has a lot of truth to it.

Thanks for the help!

I think if you'll look over this thread and part 1 you'll find a lot of us here that have the 410 Neo and have positive comments about it. I've had mine since first of May 2012, and with the 100T I consider it to be the best rig I've ever had, and that covers well over 40 years of experience. The sound is tight and articulate. It has a vintage vibe but depending on where you set the tweeter volume it can be as modern sounding as you please. There are certainly no rattles or buzzes coming from it, and I play loud and proud. The only similar thing I've heard I believe came from Tim1, who started this thread. I believe his 610 Neo developed a buzz, and he discovered it was a wire that had slipped down and was resting on the back of the cone of one of the speakers. But again mine is now a year and three months old, 60+ gigs plus countless rehearsals, and no mechanical noises at all.
My previous rig was a pair of Hartke 410XL's, and I way prefer the single 410 Neo to that rig. And I am still shocked every time I pick the cab up - I can't believe how light it is, and that is definitely a plus for me. The "review" you cite is only the second review I've heard of that had anything negative to say about this cab. The first one was early on - well over a year ago - and sounded completely bogus to me. As I recall I'm not sure the guy even said he listened to it; he apparently could tell that it wasn't a good cab by taking it apart and looking it, and of course the speakers were way too light to be any good (?!?).
I went out on a limb and bought my 410 Neo, like the 100T, without ever hearing one - just rolled the dice. I wouldn't recommend doing that unless you know you have a full-refund return option. Just because I and others here love the cab doesn't mean it's right for you. The sound of the cab is a very subjective thing, and only your ears can determine if it's the sound you want or not, regardless of what positive or negative reviews say.
The only problem I have with the 410 Neo is that it looks so awesome I'm constantly trying to find an excuse to buy a second one so I can have a stack or a side-by-side, but the one has handled any stage I've played on, ranging from small bars to large outdoor stages with full FOH.
 
I think the Fender Tech Support guy didn't know what he was saying.

If your amp "is in meltdown mode," turning on a fan isn't gonna save it.
Fender has made many amps with thermistor controlled fans, and I'd wager the fan is indeed supposed to come on to keep it at a nice operating temp, rather than a "freakin' hot but not dead" temp.

It's been a year since I talked to Fender tech support about it, but I'm pretty sure they said the SB300's fan is designed to come on during normal use. But for sure they said, like the manual, that the 100T's fan is designed to come on only if it starts to melt down. So that's why I believe mine has a defective heat sensor. It certainly doesn't get any hotter than any other tube amp I've been around, and the fan comes on when the amp reaches a 'normal' tube hotness it seems, even at rehearsal. Maybe my 100T accidentally got a SB300 sensor. Whatever, it's working the way I think a fan should.
 
The Aguilar DB 410 looks intriguing as well. 103 sensitivity? That's awesome, plus cosmetics match :).
The DB410 is glorious if you're looking for mid-range punch and volume, and it is a great-looking cab, too. My only issue was that it was low and heavy and I'm tall, so the schlep sucked. I sold it and bought a used NV610 (fairly similar tonal profile, IMO). The Fender 410 looks much lighter than the Aggie, but I've never tried one.
 
I think the Fender Tech Support guy didn't know what he was saying.

If your amp "is in meltdown mode," turning on a fan isn't gonna save it.
Fender has made many amps with thermistor controlled fans, and I'd wager the fan is indeed supposed to come on to keep it at a nice operating temp, rather than a "freakin' hot but not dead" temp.

Well that's not what Fender tech support told me. I'm pretty sure they said the SB300 works that way, but I'm positive they said the 100T fan will not come on unless the amp has reached an "emergency state", which I believe is exactly how they said it. I could've sworn the manual alluded the same thing, but I just scanned through it and couldn't find mention of the fan. Starting from the beginning of part 1 of this thread, I believe my 100T is the only one with a fan that comes on, and back in part 1 we had quite a long discussion about it.
 
Freight train is correct. My neo 610 originally had a buzz which I quickly fixed by repositioning a speaker wire. I was also very impressed by the build quality of the cab. Each pair of speakers has it's own ported and separated space. I have played this cabinet hard with both the 100T and the Super Bass 300 with absolutely no issues. Further, it compared so favorably with my Bergantino NV 610 that I have since sold the Berg.
 
If that's the case; that's silly engineering, IMO.

I totally agree. Eyeball Kid, back in April last year, took his to the shop because his fan never came on, here's what he reported:
"I got my 100t back from the shop today and the good news is nothing was wrong with it.....thats also the weird news. The fan and sensor both work. It seems (and the tech showed me the service manual) that according to fender the fan is only supposed to come on "at critical heat" and "most likely will never come on"! So the hot running temp is normal and expected."
 
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