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Fender Custom Shop '62 Pups in a Squier CV 70's

i love these Classic Vibe P basses.I have a modded Squier P body/with CV 70s J neck.For our music the quarter pounders work well.But have been also returning to EMG active Ps.(I was on a passive purity kick for a bit but I’m on the mend.Anyway,cool bass.This post got my ears up clicking around on sound samples,and all the love for CS62s,I’m noticing the symptoms again.and once again be counting basses and parts at night.
 
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Here is the basic experiment. I played and recorded an open E note on the bass before and after the pickup change. The gain settings were unchanged. No digital trickery. Same strings, action and pickup height. The only things that are different are the Squier pups and Fender ‘62s (and new pots, wires, and cap).

So here is the waveform from the Squier pickup (blue) vs the ’62 Custom Fender (green). I used to do a lot of NMR (nuclear magnetic resonance) experiments in the days before complete automation. Without getting all quantum physics on y’all, let me say that there is a thing called a Free Induction Decay (FID) in an NMR experiment. The nuclear spin decay data look very much like sound decay waveforms. A skilled person can tell a lot by looking at the overall shape of an FID before it is transformed using a Fourier Transform that takes the time axis and converts it into the frequency domain. Same is true for a sound file. A trained person can see the “purity” of a signal, whether it is a pure frequency or more complex. You can also see if there are significant phasing and decay problems.

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All Geeking-Out aside, I can clearly see that the waveforms are different. The blues has better sustain, but is lacking a symmetric decay pattern. The green is more symmetric and has a decent decay profile.

I then ran the same signals through a FFT and frequency analysis. Sure enough, the Fender has a much better defined set of harmonics and overtones. Much more sensitive and accurate. The Squier, not so much. Now a lot of the more complex signal in both are at pretty low levels (<-60Db). Still, it is the little things that our brains perceive as major sound differences. I will not pretend that I can look at a frequency analysis and tell you how it sounds. When people say they can, I call “Bullschzit”. However, you can tell a lot and see actual differences.
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What does it sound like? Well the Squier sounds more distorted and has a weird ring to it. Ever hit a high tension steel cable with a stick? You will hear something that sounds like an old Star Wars or BSG phaser “phwew” twang. I hear that in the Squier pickup and it is absent in the Fender.

Conclusion: The $130 dollar upgrade made the bass sound better. Especially when it is being recorded direct. As I said in my first post, the Squier pups sounded pretty ok through a loud amp, but I was unhappy when recording and mixing. Well-worth the expense to me.
See this is exactly that kind of post i like. You showed hard facts, backed by knowledge, while acknowledging that preferences can be objective.

I hear artifacts in the pickups of my Squier Mini P but somehow I love the sound.

My new MIJ P bass in my profile pic sounds great with rounds but I'm not happy with the pickups now that I've put Fender flats on it. If Labellas still don't sound good it'll be time to ditch the ceramic pickups. I'll probably get a Fender original 62 like you.
 
The Yosemites vs. the stock Squiers in the JJ: The originals were OK, probably would have left them had I not found a great replacement at a great deal. The Yosemites sound to me far more modern in tone, more of a hi-fi, active kind of vibe, maybe someone can confirm or correct me, but they sound to me more like ceramic magnets.

At least two of my Squiers came with those itty-bitty foreign pots, Jeff had to enlarge the pickguard holes slightly to fit the CTS installs, and the jack was dollar-store parts.

Maybe this is an example, but the other day my Squier Precision Five suddenly became intermittent in output. The jack felt a bit wobbly so I pulled the pickguard to check. SO . . . . I found the jack was a bit loose, so I rotated it back to not strain the wiring, but the prongs were fine, so that wasn't why. Then I saw it. Squier had painted the cavity with that black non-conduct paint OK, but the pickup ground . . . . was a wire terminating in a spade terminal screwed into the floor of the cavity, and the screw was backing out (!). Snugged that up, we're back in business. And it's a great bass, at least as good as a 'real' Fender P5 in a practical sense.

As I said, they save money where you don't see it, and they all do it. At least, pots and the other under-the-hood bits are inexpensive to upgrade to much better parts.

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BTW The wire screwed into the cavity grounds the shielding. The other end should be soldered to the back of the volume pot. Fenders have that too.

If the pickup ground is actually screwed to the cavity then it doesn't ground the pickup at all unless there is a second wire that connects the shielding paint to ground.

Either way it shouldn't make the sound cut out intermittently, that would be the tip connection on the jack.

Of course i haven't seen your bass.
 
I just love current Squire stuff. Those CV70's are very nice but agree on the cheap electronics. The real sleeper was the VM series. Bought a bright blue VM PJ cause it felt so good, but I hated the colour and the PJ config. Stripped it, plugged the cavity and literally finished it in some old crappy dark brown artists acrylic paint which has easily worn and looks like hell.....I love it! I now have a comfy looking, grt feeling bass with those grt original Duncan PU's which incidentally are much hotter than the CV70's PU's. Its a keeper for sure.
 
I just love current Squire stuff. Those CV70's are very nice but agree on the cheap electronics. The real sleeper was the VM series. Bought a bright blue VM PJ cause it felt so good, but I hated the colour and the PJ config. Stripped it, plugged the cavity and literally finished it in some old crappy dark brown artists acrylic paint which has easily worn and looks like hell.....I love it! I now have a comfy looking, grt feeling bass with those grt original Duncan PU's which incidentally are much hotter than the CV70's PU's. Its a keeper for sure.
@tvbop Post a pic. Love to see this.
 
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BTW The wire screwed into the cavity grounds the shielding. The other end should be soldered to the back of the volume pot. Fenders have that too.

If the pickup ground is actually screwed to the cavity then it doesn't ground the pickup at all unless there is a second wire that connects the shielding paint to ground.

Either way it shouldn't make the sound cut out intermittently, that would be the tip connection on the jack.

Of course i haven't seen your bass.

I'm quite sure you're right; there's any number of reasons WHY you don't want me anywhere near a soldering iron, and I got lucky screwing that back down snug.
 
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I tried a Fender 62 Original, Fender 63, Quarter Pounder and now Fender Custom Shop 62 P pickup and it is phenomenal sounding in my 2018 Fender Player P. I used to have a Squire Classic Vibe P bass. It was very nice playing but the pickup stunk. I haven't found to many Fender's beit American, MIM Standard, Squiers that I liked the stock pickups. Maybe I am just OCD picky LOL.
 
That was my assessment of the original 62’s kinda bla
The Custom shop 62’s are just more toneful to me

Depend on what bass string you strung on your pbass.

CS 62 has naturally scoop voice compare to more upper mid voice present on Ori 60P pup.

Roundwound bass string sound great on CS62 , meanwhile the Ori 60P give you Vintage P vibe along with nice broken in Labella Flatwound. The deep and fatness of Labella flat great match with upper mid Voicing Ori 60P .
 
@tvbop Post a pic. Love to see this.
haha...not for the feint hearted.
Before.
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After
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= much better.