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Fender Decals On Non-Fender Basses
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scotch
It's not rocket science!
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...page after page of the same arguments and even the same exact analogies.
I almost wish I hadn't pointed out the latest fraud Fender for sale. But, I think that's possibly more relevant than collector-automobile trends.
I almost wish I hadn't pointed out the latest fraud Fender for sale. But, I think that's possibly more relevant than collector-automobile trends.
In the esteemed words of Foghorn Leghorn - "I keep pitchin' 'em and you keep missin' 'em".
Seems like a good time to re-point out this 46 page Thread-'O-Outrage.
Yet strangely, in that thread we have an identical situation, but very few supporters of counterfeiting.
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after reading this thread, i think i wanna put a gibson decal on my 100% original '62 p bass, since everyone knows gibson makes better instruments. 
that way i could sell it for ALOT more coin.
that way i could sell it for ALOT more coin.
Engine207
Losing faith in humanity...one call at a time.
I have Fender and Gibson decals on my Dodge truck.
Not a problem unless you try to pass off the truck as a p-bass (or a Ripper).
I have Fender and Gibson decals on my Dodge truck.
Every F150 around here has a Harley decal on it.
And yet every one flocks to the latest clone of a pedal still in production.
MM
I have a few Squiers. They have Squier logos on. I bought them as good basses by Squier and Squiers they will remain. They aren't full-blown Fenders and I don't want to insult my own intelligence - or anyone else's - by trying to pass them off as something that they aren't. It won't make them Fenders.
Ditto a couple of Epiphones - a good maker in their own right.
If someone buys a Fender neck with a Fender logo on, it's totally legit to put it on a Squier. It wouldn't make the whole bass a Fender and it shouldn't be sold on as one, but the kosher logo on the kosher neck is fine.
Ditto a couple of Epiphones - a good maker in their own right.
If someone buys a Fender neck with a Fender logo on, it's totally legit to put it on a Squier. It wouldn't make the whole bass a Fender and it shouldn't be sold on as one, but the kosher logo on the kosher neck is fine.
No one in this lengthy thread has seriously suggested, directly or indirectly, that one should remove the Fender logo from a Fender factory neck for any reason. That point was brought up as a straw man by Fender counterfeiters looking to justify their actions.
Why not buy one that doesn't say Squier . . . ? I'm pretty sure Fender still makes non Squier versions of all their guitars and bass'
Reading this thread has really astounded me with how easy it is for someone to lie/fake and then justify it. I don't own and will probably never own any of the Fender bass guitars I want including replacing the 64 Jazz that was stolen along with my other studio gear. But I would never in my life dream of pretending to own one that I had faked.
My P is a 72 MIA and my current J is a late 80's MIM. I also have a Squier Strat that was setup by my tech to be one of the best playing/sounding guitars I've ever owned. If someone wants to poke fun at me for it being a Squier I just let them play it and that shuts them up. No embarrassment for me, just what I could afford not being a guitar player except as a song writer in my home studio.
I also agree with a previous poster, I think I will find it very hard to purchase any used or vintage Fender items in the future. It seems to be way to common for y'all to fake them.
Not wanting to tick anyone off here and not pointing fingers just wanted to throw my thoughts into the mix.
Look up the definition of "fraudulent" and your assertion becomes just so much thin gruel.
That's not a straw man argument in the least. If I put a genuine Fender neck on a Tokai body, couldn't I just as easily pass it off as a complete and authentic Fender as I could a bass with an Allparts neck and repro decal? Maybe more easily pass it off as such? Why are you not equally outraged by that real possibility (which, by the way, probably happens about as often as the decal thing).smcd said:
So setting up the possibility of misrepresenting a non-Fender neck as the real deal = borderline criminal. Setting up the possibility of misrepresenting a non-Fender body as genuine = not so much. Got it. Wait ... no I don't. That's logical inconsistency at its pinnacle.
Just throwing gas on this fire for my own amusement, mind you. I really don't have a dog in this fight. I will say that if some of you devoted this much passion and energy to something meaningful, like social justice, as you do worrying about what other people do with their gear, we'd all be making 6 figures a year and the world would be at relative peace. But we've all gotta have our priorities right?
Sad and hilarious all at the same time. But ain't that life?
"That's logical inconsistency at its pinnacle."
Pinnacle?? Seriously?? You have certainly set the Bar Of Logical Inconsistency very low!
Let's try and stay grounded in reality. The fact that you can't just go out and buy genuine Fender necks (or decals) means that there are only so many genuine Fender necks out there. The number of people who will replace a Fender guitar body with an aftermarket body are are so few that they're statistically insignificant. Personally, I don't know anyone who's done that.
But the number of people who have bought aftermarket parts, assembled a fake guitar, and applied a counterfeit decal are legion. Just look at how many in this thread have proudly admitted to doing so. These people aren't interested in playing a genuine Fender. They just want other people to think they're playing a genuine Fender.
So, perhaps the next time you apply logic in critical thinking, I would suggest you take all factors into account before you reach a conclusion.
I'll try to keep it simple....
No one counterfeiting a guitar is going to buy a genuine Fender neck and throw it on an Allparts body. Not when they can spend a fraction of the money and get a replacement neck and a counterfeit decal and end up with something that, to the untrained eye, looks identical. Almost no one does this.
What about in the AMP section when someone asked how many people took the Peavey logos off their gear?
Same-o, same-o - except backwards, but it's still crossing a critical line. Hiding a moniker is the same as putting
a custom decal on, or a woman getting a boob job.
Look - if it ain't for fraudulent reasons in a resale or whatever, you can put whitewall tires and mudflaps
on your bass if you like.
Who really cares?
Much ado about nothing .............
Same-o, same-o - except backwards, but it's still crossing a critical line. Hiding a moniker is the same as putting
a custom decal on, or a woman getting a boob job.
Look - if it ain't for fraudulent reasons in a resale or whatever, you can put whitewall tires and mudflaps
on your bass if you like.
Who really cares?
Much ado about nothing .............
{Bill Shakespeare}
Maybe you should look it up.
fraudulent - false; phony
I see also that you conveniently did not address this definition:
counterfeit - to imitate or feign especially with intent to deceive
It appears that your post is the "just so much thin gruel".
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