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Fender in General

Definitely a Precision but there are huge distinctions between a genuine '61-4 in this context against any Custom shop one is paying $5000 for what one will never get toward the other. Can't get Brazilian rosewood and even if one could it might not be of the maturity Fenders originals had. I read today Fender on a small number of Precision's used mahogany bodies in 1963 but ash and poplar. Poplar! I guess it comes down to which of either sounds the best to my ears. A 1963 Precision or a 2018 Custom shop Precision? The woods on the prior were mature to begin with. That has changed, I think, with all makers. I am saying, too, without having any or either in my hands to feel and hear differences, how can I know? In terms of other manufacturers who make what are essentially P's and J's, I can't know until I might meet at a place with vintage and newer and various amps that replicate what I wish to sound like for myself. Then there is a purpose for all my folderol. This has all become an intellectual pursuit for things I'll probably never have nor can afford. Lately I relax to my old record collection and get very excited about them all which happen to have been produced in the 50's through the late 60's. Hate Disco but some of those guys played awesome on those records but not enough to get me jumping up and down. I'd like to have a sound that makes others jump up and down. That's the bottom line for me. We'll see....
I think you are way overshooting from a starting point without references. My advice is go find an American Pro and spend the next six months with it before deciding to either keep it, modify it, or exchange it. A vintage or custom shop bass doesn't have any magical properties that make them better basses. Vintage is expensive due to scarcity, and custom shop is expensive due to the people and process involved in building them.

If you truly want to treat this as an intellectual pursuit, the first thing to do is establish a baseline.
 
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I think you are way overshooting from a starting point without references. My advice is go find an American Pro and spend the next six months with it before deciding to either keep it, modify it, or exchange it. A vintage or custom shop bass doesn't have any magical properties that make them better basses. Vintage is expensive due to scarcity, and custom shop is expensive due to the people and process involved in building them.

If you truly want to treat this as an intellectual pursuit, the first thing to do is establish a baseline.
OK!
 
Haha! No. My name here is meant to be "Bad A.I." like Terminator run amok or actually doing what it's designed for. How can I hear these things? And just as comparison from what I'm reading, G&L, all Fender's designs, don't make instruments in other countries. I suppose their prices on a comparative basis to a Lakland USA made is less for what I can only determine to be top grade quality and only that. I have a complaint about the greed aspect of Guitar Center, Sam Ash, Musician's Friend like the're a conspiracy based upon the WalMart business model of having all these disposable beginner's models which should have never existed to begin with. That might have been better for instrument makers because certain woods available in the 40's - 60's are no longer available. Maturity of certain wood species like the Brazilian rosewood Fender used initially aren't available, forested out of existed, protected, etc. There's no substitute for that, is there? I actually don't know. But there was something in those instruments that must have everything to do with prices asked on Ebay. You get a '64 Fender Precision and that's all one needs. The instrument was like the old Hammond B-3's. There were no intermediary. And the premier stuff ordered from a catalog or online with a limited three day return policy isn't enough time to get to know an instrument. I was in marketing for many years and this aspect of musical instruments grates my nerves raw and the policies of these stores even more so.
It's all over youtube. Trust me, I was like you a few years ago, but now I'm settle with my basses, Sire V7 and MIJ P Bass. If you want a P and money is not an issue for you, check Pino Palladino signature, play it, love it, but cannot afford it, yet.
 
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I'm gonna let you in on a little secret. I'm a Fender fanboy. I currently own 1 Custom Shop Precision, 3 American Jazzes, 1 American Precision, 2 Japanese Precisions, and 1 Mexican Precision (and a Mexican Strat). Guess what? They all sound fantastic. I will say, the hardware of the American basses are worth the extra price IMO. But, if you can deal with less than perfect bridges and tuners and such, get a Mexican. You also could look for a used American or Japanese Fender as I find their quality to be outstanding. I have an 80's Japanese Precision that I'd put up against my Custom Shop ANY DAY. View attachment 3055373 View attachment 3055376
Totally agree. I too am a Fender fan-boy. I started out believing if it wasn’t AT LEAST an American Standard it really wasn’t suitable. What changed my thinking was:
a) buying a roadworn P
and
b) buying a 2002 CIJ PB62-70

The roadworn blew away my notion that MIM’s were sub-par.
The CIJ proved (to me) that MIJ’s/CIJ’s truly are as good (if not better) than any of the American Specials or American Standards (they are very much on par with th AVRI’s).
I upgraded the pickup and electronics in my CIJ (for about $1,000 less than a brand new AVRI or American Original) and wouldn’t trade it for anything.

I truly believe a gig-worthy Bass can now be had for $400-$600.
 
My main player is a MIM P (Roger Waters signature).
I pay my bills with that thing.
Sounds as good, if not better, than any and all vintage/boutique stuff I've put it up against.
Just a well made hunk of wood and wire.

Don't worry about where the bass was made.
Just put as many basses in your hands as you can. That's the only way. You'll know when you find a good one.

And if you go to Guitar Center, just ignore the sales guys and go about your business. That's all you can do.
 
Definitely a Precision but there are huge distinctions between a genuine '61-4 in this context against any Custom shop one is paying $5000 for what one will never get toward the other. Can't get Brazilian rosewood and even if one could it might not be of the maturity Fenders originals had. I read today Fender on a small number of Precision's used mahogany bodies in 1963 but ash and poplar. Poplar! I guess it comes down to which of either sounds the best to my ears. A 1963 Precision or a 2018 Custom shop Precision? The woods on the prior were mature to begin with. That has changed, I think, with all makers. I am saying, too, without having any or either in my hands to feel and hear differences, how can I know? In terms of other manufacturers who make what are essentially P's and J's, I can't know until I might meet at a place with vintage and newer and various amps that replicate what I wish to sound like for myself. Then there is a purpose for all my folderol. This has all become an intellectual pursuit for things I'll probably never have nor can afford. Lately I relax to my old record collection and get very excited about them all which happen to have been produced in the 50's through the late 60's. Hate Disco but some of those guys played awesome on those records but not enough to get me jumping up and down. I'd like to have a sound that makes others jump up and down. That's the bottom line for me. We'll see....

Theory is not the same as Practice. Check the TB classifieds, buy a cheap practice amp & Squier or MIM bass (good chance of getting a player's instrument), and make music while you check out gear that can produce your sound.
 
Definitely a Precision but there are huge distinctions between a genuine '61-4 in this context against any Custom shop one is paying $5000 for what one will never get toward the other.

I think you and I will have to agree to disagree on that point.

Based on my own experiences, there are a a large number of good Fender basses, a smaller number of excellent ones, and a tiny number of truly great ones. The year has nothing to do with it nor does whether it has a basswood or alder body, or have a maple vs a rosewood neck. Some sound great and others less so. Certain years my have a larger number of exceptional ones than others. But nothing that would come close to what would be considered a valid statistical correlation. If you took 20 really good Fender basses and laid them side to side they’d all be different. Consider, Leo Fender was an engineer at heart. Not a luthier in the traditional sense. So if there were a formula to consistently and predictably crank out the perfect bass, Leo would have been all over it. But he soon realized these basses are what they are. And while some are just better than others, virtually all of them are at least decent.
 
Totally agree. I too am a Fender fan-boy. I started out believing if it wasn’t AT LEAST an American Standard it really wasn’t suitable. What changed my thinking was:
a) buying a roadworn P
and
b) buying a 2002 CIJ PB62-70

The roadworn blew away my notion that MIM’s were sub-par.
The CIJ proved (to me) that MIJ’s/CIJ’s truly are as good (if not better) than any of the American Specials or American Standards (they are very much on par with th AVRI’s).
I upgraded the pickup and electronics in my CIJ (for about $1,000 less than a brand new AVRI or American Original) and wouldn’t trade it for anything.

I truly believe a gig-worthy Bass can now be had for $400-$600.
I agree with you 100%. Any Mexican Fender will be a long term reliable gigging machine pending a simple setup.
 
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I have had a 1965 jazz, Fender USA jazzes, MIM jazz basses, G&L Tribute and USA jazz basses, and parts jazz basses. Rating from "love" to "would never buy again," they are in reverse order.

The G&Ls and MIMs are worth every penny.

In the case of a casual, sometime-bass player, or new guy, IMO the G&L Tribute or the MIM is the way to go.
 
New here. Used to dabble with bass many years ago and I got the itch to look to purchase. Couple of my friends from high school's parents had I guess original Fender basses, one a Precision and another Jazz from the 1960's so I'm told. I looked at some on Ebay and they're asking prices are well upwards of $10,000, well beyond my budget. Makes me think about all these secondary and tertiary models from Korea, Mexico and they're cheap relative to one of these Fenders. I want to buy on sound, tone and not price. I want a bass to sing but I don't think the cheaper ones would do that and can only be a waste of time and money since resale of such must be bottom barrel -- barely good for firewood. Anyone wanna converse about this? Thanks. Bad A.I.

Well then, don’t buy one made in the Asia, or Mexico. There are Fender Basses made here in the USA, for around $2,000 new, not $10,000, and used ones for hundreds less.
 
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I guess I see my basses as investments. Since I know what I want, they will be with me a long time.
All of my fenders are USA and some of them I paid through the nose for.
Recently at a gig, one of my tone- chasing friends told me I had the best bass tone he ever heard; I had to agree... a professional P5.
I’m not a snob though; there are great basses made at all price points but you usually get what you pay for; the money is in the electronics, hardware and wood/finish.
 
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. . . Lately I relax to my old record collection and get very excited about them all which happen to have been produced in the 50's through the late 60's. Hate Disco but some of those guys played awesome on those records but not enough to get me jumping up and down. I'd like to have a sound that makes others jump up and down. That's the bottom line for me. We'll see....

FWIW - I'd like to point out that it wasn't the bass it was the player that was making people jump up & down.