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Fender Japan is gone :(



OMG! Dude! That is a GORGEOUS Guitar! I love those pearl inlays on the maple fretboard! I had a black 76 Jazz that had that exact same fingerboard! In fact, Geddy Lee's actual black Jazz Bass had pearl inlays too, just like your guitar does! I always wondered why the Geddy Lee Jazz Bass had BLACK inlays instead? But I digress...

Congrats man! Your beautiful bass is a perfect example of how Fender Japan constantly puts Fender USA to shame! -- As we have been theorizing conspiracy theories... Wonder if the real reason for Fender Japan's demise is that they were TOO GOOD? Made their big brother in Corona look bad?
 
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OMG! Dude! That is a GORGEOUS Guitar! I love those pearl inlays on the maple fretboard! I had a black 76 Jazz that had that exact same fingerboard! In fact, Geddy Lee's actual black Jazz Bass had pearl inlays too, just like your guitar does! I always wondered why the Geddy Lee Jazz Bass had BLACK inlays instead? But I digress...

Congrats man! Your beautiful bass is a perfect example of how Fender Japan constantly puts Fender USA to shame! -- As we have been theorizing conspiracy theories... Wonder if the real reason for Fender Japan's demise is that they were TOO GOOD? Made their big brother in Corona look bad?
Thanks. It is the greatest example of any Fender that I have ever owned.
 
You are incorrect. The "US" in that context means it is a Fender Japan manufactured product with US pickups in it.

Correct! Not only are they US pickups, they are from the Fender USA Vintage series and very similar to what would have been factory installed on an original 1962 Jazz Bass back in the day.

Another rather significant difference is that the JB62-US model has an Alder body where as most of the other JB62 models use Basswood bodies. That all adds up to a pretty significant difference in sound between the "US" and some of the other JB62 models. (Jon W... Did your VSP come with an Alder body or a Basswood body? - I have seen both woods used in the VSP model, but Basswood seems more common)

My JB62SS Mini Jazz Basses come with the same Japanese designed pickups that the VSP and other JB62s come with. Its a great sounding pickup, but different sounding than a typical American J-Bass. :) I really like the sound of them myself, but with four JB62SS in my stable, I think I have that base covered. ;) All three bases PLUS home plate! lol! :D

Cool! Thanks for the info, guys!

On a side-note…it seems I, too, have found myself caught up in the rush to grab yet another Japanese-made Fender before they become extinct. (this will be my third) I'll save the details for it's "Unveiling" thread, but if the pics do it any justice, it should be one slick lookin' piece of musical instrumentation. ;)

And if anyone is wondering, it indeed was Johan who answered my initial inquiries. :thumbsup:
 
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Very nice! :) I just commented in your other thread about how amazing the light amber sunburst looks. I was tempted to go that way, but did the 3TS VSP instead. Enjoy it! :)



Cool! Thanks for the info, guys!

On a side-note…it seems I, too, have found myself caught up in the rush to grab yet another Japanese-made Fender before they become extinct. (this will be my third) I'll save the details for it's "Unveiling" thread, but if the pics do it any justice, it should be one slick lookin' piece of musical instrumentation.

And if anyone is wondering, it indeed was Johan who answered my initial inquiries.


Excellent! That was quite the side note. ;) I will definitely look forward to seeing and hearing about it. :)
 
(Jon W... Did your VSP come with an Alder body or a Basswood body? - I have seen both woods used in the VSP model, but Basswood seems more common)

I don’t have the bass yet, so don’t know about the wood. The old and new Fender Japan web sites both say that it’s 2 piece alder. That would be nice in terms of vintage correctness and general character of the bass. But basswood might be a lot lighter and, hence, easier to play. We’ll see soon. :) Nope, it has not shipped yet.

You know...PayPal for example always warns you about that 3% thing, but in all the years I have been buying international, I have never had to pay that surcharge. Might be the credit card companies I use, but it could also be marketing BS to save PayPal money on their backend!

Really? Interesting. I was trying to decide if I should pay by credit card or Paypal. The listed fees came out to be about the same, so I used my credit card. Maybe Paypal did not have a fee but their exchange rate was below market. Whereas the credit card had a 3% fee but the exchange was at the regular market rate. So it was pretty much the same, in the end.


Just got this last week Tuesday.

NBD: Fender Japan 2013 75RI (Many Pics) | TalkBass.com
Yeah... It worked out that I had just accepted a 6 months No Payments / No Interest credit card offer that I was getting mailed to me every couple of weeks, and finally decided to accept the damned thing! ;o) Certainly came in handy when this whole Japan Fender news came along!

I started off just buying just one JB62SS in 3TS, but when that bass arrived and it came out of the factory sealed box setup better from the factory than some of my American Fenders AFTER I have paid someone to set it up, I was truly blown away! In the 40+ years I have been buying new Fender guitars and basses, I had NEVER seen one come out of the factory sealed carton perfectly dialed in. The action was at the perfect height, not a buzz anywhere on the neck, and all other fit and finish was beautifully done as well!

After playing this fantastic little Jazz Bass for a couple of hours, the wheels started turning and by the end of the night, I had ordered the other three colors. At the time, I naturally assumed that the incredible setup job the first JB62SS came out of the box with was dumb luck, but when the other three arrived and each and every one of them was just as perfect, I became an overnight megafan of Fender Japan! -- My sights then turned to the full size Jazz Bass my JB62SS' were always pictured with in all the Smart Size advertising photos.

Since the full size bass is made at a different factory than the SS model, I can't be absolutely sure if the setup is going to be as blow away perfect, but I am hoping that it is! These all being based on the original 1962 Jazz Bass, the truss rod screw is located at the body end of the neck instead of up at the headstock, so there is no way to adjust the neck tension without taking the neck off the body, so you can get to the screw. Some owners have actually routed some of the body away at where the neck meets the body so they can adjust the rod with the neck still on the guitar, but I find once you get it to the right tension, it tends to stay put and you don't need to deal with it again.

However... Personally, I suck at adjusting this type of Fender and failed miserably in my attempts to lower the action on my 64' which has the same truss rod screw location. I ended up taking it to my go to guitar tech and he dialed it in beautifully, but it set me back $85.00! I add up all the money I have saved so far on the four JB62SS that didn't need a setup done on them, and that could buy another guitar! Keeping my fingers crossed that the JB62-US doesn't need its action adjusted, cause I ain't attempting it if it does! That will mean another $85.00 and a road trip to my tech, who lives 120 miles away, one way!



Oh wow! So you have never had the pleasure of playing/owning a Fender Jazz Bass? Man! I wish I could see the expression on your face when you play your JB62 for the first time! You are going to be knocked out! I have no doubt about that! If you check out my signature, you can see the various brands and models I own. Well, in my opinion, the Fender Jazz Bass sets the bar for which all others are measured. I don't think you could find a more versatile instrument than the ol Jazz! While I LOVE my Rickenbacker 4003, and all my other bass guitar brands and models, if I had to play a show or do a recording session in which I didn't know the musical style I would be facing, and could only bring one instrument with me, it would be a Jazz Bass hands down! I wouldn't even think twice about it! There isn't a style or genre of music that the Jazz Bass can't excel at! I am sure all the road worn vets here on TB would agree with me on that point!

As I mentioned in that other post above, the VSP has some significant differences compared to the JB62-US. They look identical, so aesthetically, you can't tell them apart, but many of the VSPs I have seen for sale have Basswood bodies instead of the Alder that the US model has. However, I have seen VSPs for sale that listed the wood as Alder, so I am not sure if that seller was wrong, or if they can come in either wood from the factory.

The other significant difference and the reason why the "US" model is called "US" is because it comes with the Fender USA Vintage Jazz Bass pickups from the factory instead of the Japanese designed Alnico pickups found on the VSP model. These are the same pickups that came installed on all my JB62SS short scale Jazz Basses. Speaking as someone who has owned close to two dozen Fender Jazz Bases in my life, the Japanese Alnico pickups definitely sound different than your typical American Jazz Bass sounds.

Its hard to describe the difference... But I personally like the unique tone these produce. The blend between the neck and bridge pickup seems more pronounced to my ear, so changing the balance in volume between the two makes a lot bigger effect than I get with say my 64 or American Deluxe, although the Deluxe is an active system.

I will be curious to see what you think of the sound of your new VSP when it arrives! I am really digging the sound of my JB62SS guitars and I am sure they sound very similar to how your VSP is going to sound.

WOW! That was a LOOOoong reply! Hope you guys don't mind me getting so wordy!

P.S. Did you VSP ship yet? Mine shipped on the 1st, but is still in Japan as of the last update. Once it gets on a plane, the rest of the trip happens really fast, so once you see it leave Japan, you have only 1-2 days left to go!

Cool. Thanks for all of the thoughts. I’m amused by your enthusiasm and how it led to so many bass purchases in so short of a time. :)

If I’m half as happy with mine as you are with yours… well… I’ll be very happy, indeed. :)

I do most (OK, all) of the work on my guitars and one bass. I find it all to be pretty straightforward. Except I totally agree that having to remove a neck to give the truss rod a quick turn is a total pain. It’s one of the things that drives me crazy about my Danelectro reissue bass. Well, it’s more annoying that it needs the adjustment (plus others) so often. None of my guitars need that.

Yeah, this VSP Jazz will only be my second bass. And I might be happy if I never see that Danelectro again. So the VSP Jazz might be my only bass, at least for a little while. It would be great if I’m as floored by it as you are with yours. I don’t think that my standards are too high. Although I have more expensive ones, one of my favorite guitars is a MIM standard Strat with only a pickup change. So we’ll see. I will definitely report back on what I find with the bass. I will take lots of photos and make a new thread.

When it does arrive, I won’t be a good assessor of how it sounds. I still do not have a proper bass amp. I have been playing my Danelectro unplugged and through my guitar amp, quietly. I need to get a bass amp and this new bass is probably going to hasten that process. I have not yet decided fully what to get, but I am leaning toward a Fender Rumble 500 combo. We’ll see there. I imagine that I won’t be able to put off the amp purchase too much longer after the bass arrives. :)

But I really appreciate your thoughts on how these basses sound. I was kind of figuring that the VSP’s would have pickups sounding in the vintage range, which would be nice. At least with Fender guitars, the currently produced MIM and MIA standards are more of modern sounds. How might you describe the sound of these VSP’s in terms of modern versus vintage versus any other class of sound that you can think of?
 
Hey. What is the VSP exactly?

It’s the Fender Japan “Vintage Special (VSP)” designation. There are Jazz and Precision bass versions. Guitars, too. My understanding is that it’s the most vintage correct things that they make, to about 1962 specs. Nitro top coat (not sure about what is under that), vintage frets, vintage bridge, two piece alder body, even the old grounding wire is outside the routes, visible between the bridge and pickup. Maybe some other features, but I'm not sure. They also seem to be the most expensive models, short of some specialty signature models. So top of the line, I guess. I’m not sure about the electronics- Japan or US? GG7 might be able to comment on the tone and pickup voicing.


VSP = "Very Silly Party"



That is excellent. :D
 
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It’s the Fender Japan “Vintage Special (VSP)” designation. There are Jazz and Precision bass versions. Guitars, too. My understanding is that it’s the most vintage correct things that they make, to about 1962 specs. Nitro top coat (not sure about what is under that), vintage frets, vintage bridge, two piece alder body, even the old grounding wire is outside the routes, visible between the bridge and pickup. Maybe some other features, but I'm not sure. They also seem to be the most expensive models, short of some specialty signature models. So top of the line, I guess. I’m not sure about the electronics- Japan or US? GG7 might be able to comment on the tone and pickup voicing.




That is excellent. :D
Thanks. Now I have more GAS.
 
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I just traded one of my favorite but too-heavy MIJ jazzes to my instructor for lessons. He loves it! Major tone machine and a collector's item, one of only 26 sunburst versions made.

I thought I had a line on a nice JD Precision but the seller is incommunicado at the moment. Then, just as I was ready to pull the trigger on an E series P, I found this. Incoming!
 
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Its hard to put into words the difference in sound between the USA Vintage pickups and the Japanese Alnico pickups. I like the sound of both, but they are different. I can get tone combinations on the Japanese pickups via my JB62SS basses that I can't quite get with my American Jazz Basses and vice versa, but they all fall into what I would consider Jazz Bass sounding tones.
Does that make sense?
I went with the US version of the JB62 based on reviews. The pickups used on that model are basically the same ones used on my 64, and I wanted to have another bass with that palette.
As for the finish differences, my 64 has a Nitro finish, and that finish is a little more delicate than the standard Poly they use these days. For one, you are not supposed to put those on a regular guitar stand because the foam on the stand can react with the finish and cause changes. One like that is enough for me, although it is a lot more in line with the original 62.
And as far as I can tell, the US and VSP have the same 1962 appointments including the exposed grounding strip.
Here are a few photos of the JB62-US version...
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UPDATE: My JB62-US has just arrived! Won't be able to check it out till tonight, but it is finally here. :D
Jon... If your bass hasn't shipped yet, you need to contact Johan and find out what the hold up is. Once you pay for it, they usually ship it out within 24 hours, unless they are brining the bass in from some remote store, but even then, I would think it should have shipped out by now.
 
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Just sad...
When I think of Fender Japan vs. Fender USA, this story about the Bass VI model comes to my mind:

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Hey there!
I LOVE the XII in your Avatar!

There was a thread a while back on BassVI.Org about the scale length debacle.
The original Bass VI had an even 30" scale length, from nut to the center of the bridge pan.
It also had a 1" bridge pan with longer intonation screws.
Fender purposely went out of their way to machine these as they calculated that the Jazz/Jag or Mustang bridge did not allow enough travel of the saddles to accomidate the intonation of each string.
When the Custom Shop reissued the VI (prompted by my custom lefty order according to the Master Builder [as a result, my second one was discounted]) thanks to Fender US's poor dealings with Fender Japan (Kanda-Shokai) FJ refused to provide FUS with the tooling for the Bridge, claiming it broke. This left FUS with the option of changing the scale to reduce the tuning problems (a matter of shaping wood a bit differently) or retooling which creates a significantly larger expense.
They chose to use a standard Jazz/Jag bridge flipped around and change the scale length (nut to the center of the bridge pan) to 30.3'
I rejected this option on my CS build as I was not going to shell out money for a hack-job (a slight exaggeration, but you get my point)
I instead had them make it to the old 30" scale and used a vintage Bass VI bridge (I have 2 -one with the threaded saddles, one with the Mustang-ish saddles).
Since this was not an option for the general population, they wound up with the 30.3" option
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So, extending the scale length by .3" split the difference allowing more-or-less proper intonation. I've not played one of those, but as Robert DeNiro says, "I heard things..."
My point in a nutshell is that if I played righty, and had a choice between getting a VI from FJ or FUSCS, I'd get 2 From FJ, because the entire foundation is solid, with every fundamental component in proper proportion (ok, we'll have to live without the 50/50 side dots ...). Replacing the wiring/pickups is a day at the beach.
If you're doing a build, I heard Motel Asimov makes the correct bridge, so you can always see if he'd like to swoop in and facilitate your desire for 30" of intonable bliss.
I'm not trying to steer you here, and it's never advisable to just go with what some rambling internet expert has to say; I'm just putting some info out there for you to accept or reject.
For those who own CS VIs, if you come across a vintage/Asimov bridge, it will still solve any problems with intonation, regardless of the 30.3" scale."
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I own two US Fenders, I love (an all original '78 Jazz and a US Vintage Series '64 Jazz), but 5 Fender Japan instruments (2 x Jazz, 2 x Precision, 1 x Strat). I love the necks on MIJ Fenders. But this story above is really embarassing for Fender USA and we are talking Custom Shop here... It's about a >3000,- instrument. And they can't manage to build it with a working bridge. It's not just about period-correct details, it's about intonation of a bass...
 
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Then, just as I was ready to pull the trigger on an E series P, I found this. Incoming!

Nice looking example there. I was watching that one, along with the other one that is priced much higher. They don't come along too often, so might as well grab one now, eh?

Interested to hear what you think of it when you get it.
 
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Nice looking example there. I was watching that one, along with the other one that is priced much higher. They don't come along too often, so might as well grab one now, eh?

Interested to hear what you think of it when you get it.
Thanks, I feel fortunate to have snagged it. Only about 250 exist in the wild. No way would I have paid that "much higher" price, though you have to admit the pics are sexy enough.

Reviews on these are a bit mixed. Yet my experience with Fender Japan suggests this bass will spark joy. Happy to report back next week. And I do believe my Lakland Skyline Duck is now headed for the Classifieds.
 
Thanks, I feel fortunate to have snagged it. Only about 250 exist in the wild. No way would I have paid that "much higher" price, though you have to admit the pics are sexy enough.

Reviews on these are a bit mixed. Yet my experience with Fender Japan suggests this bass will spark joy. Happy to report back next week. And I do believe my Lakland Skyline Duck is now headed for the Classifieds.

I'm very happy with mine, the thing just oozes quality. It has a very substantial feel for an 8 1/2lb bass, and it's definitely the liveliest sounding P bass I've come across. Keeper for sure. Not to mention that it appears to be appreciating in value since I got it. I have a feeling you might really like yours too!
 
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