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Fender no longer using rosewood ?

Because you are clearly behind in reading posts, I'll clarify for you. ;) The persons post I quoted "I've got a parts jazz bass with an MIM deluxe neck with a pau ferro board and it looks fine to me.", was basing his opinion on his own love for his pau ferro boarded bass, as have others in this thread. That is also no substitute for whether or not pau ferro looks cheap, it serves a purpose as a fretboard material, even a good one, still the perception is out there whether you like it or not. That's a fact (logic). And I've just seen a 4th pipe in with his opinion that it looks cheap. Anyway, you are probably right, we may be in the minority. But it's still may be a problem for Fender and other manufacturers replacing rosewood with a lighter board. Do you really think that Mexi's are going to get hand selected boards? (back to my original comment).

Interesting point. I guess we all may have to change the way we look at things in this world, like the Martin guitar policy. Change is hard. Damn the torpedos!
 
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I don't remember saying that the pau ferro fretboards are cheap. I clearly remember saying that light fretboards remind me of poor workmanship from the Epiphone & lower priced Gibsons I tried out.

I'm starting to feel like a certain leader of the free world because all my words are being taken out of context and used against me.
Ummm, I have no idea where you are getting that from my post. I just said I had the opposite experience from yours. Take a breath man.
 
I have a P bass with a neck from Warmoth made with pau ferro. I have a copy of the invoice in my gig-bag and PDF on my phone to show customs that it is, in fact, NOT rosewood. Why? Do you really think these nitwits are going to know much less care if it's rosewood or pau ferro? Let's put it this way, if they wants to be dicks then they will be exactly that. Sound alarmist? You obviously don't travel much . . . :p
They'll claim you forged the docs!
 
It's also possible that people may not like the Ebony choice for the higher end basses also. Someone earlier said they thought ebony was a bad sonic choice. If that's true, why don't they use pau ferro for those high end basses? I think they know Ebony will look very nice to a lot of people. Interesting that for their lower line (Mexi) they picked the "great" pau ferro but they decided not to use it for their flagship lines? Seems to me that Fender understands the importance of appearance, especially in relation to price.

Either way, the entire meta is going to change for both camps.
 
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In the case of Ebony for the Elites, I personally like harder fretboards and usually always opt for maple over rosewood between the two but, now, with Ebony replacing Rosewood for dark wood aesthetics, Ebony is harder than maple......This is going to be interesting for players that prefer the softer/spongier response and feel of rosewood (and, yes, this does effect tone slightly) if maple is now the "softer wood" option

I have a bass with pau ferro, and nobody ever said it looks cheap. It wasn't cheap, either.


Question: I know nothing about Pau Ferro, so is it softer than rosewood or harder?
 
With Fender's rosewood announcement, other manufacturers will do the same... especially after Gibson follows along, and we know they will.

So buckle up, folks -- we'll hear and read even more comments that rosewood from the good ol' days (ex. Brazilian, East Indian) is prettier and is more mellow in tone. I can hear it now... "The new Fenders with pau ferro fretboards just don't have the warmth of those with rosewood"... blah, blah, blah. However, it will surely be interesting to see what this announcement does to the price of older Fenders with rosewood fretboards.

I've played lots of pau ferro fretboards and currently own a Strat with an all-pau ferro neck (raw pau ferro neck with a separate raw pau ferro fretboard) from Warmoth. Does pau ferro feel like rosewood? No -- pau ferro has an ultra-tight and super-smooth grain that feels close to ebony. Pau ferro doesn't have those big, open (and gorgeous) pores that you see in Brazilian and Indian boards. Does it look like rosewood? Nope, but I will say that it's absolutely beautiful in a different way. It doesn't have those super-dark chocolate brown hues that you see in Brazilian and Indian boards. Does it sound like rosewood? As a neck wood, it's similar; pau ferro has the same "dark" qualities you associate with rosewood. As a fretboard wood, pau ferro a tick brighter than traditional rosewood... but nothing drastic.

I believe folks give a little too much credit to how much fretboard wood plays into the tone of a bass. I simply feel there's not as much sonic difference between maple and rosewood boards. However, my experience along with the experience of my friends shows that a pau ferro fretboard produces a sliiiiightly brighter tone vs. Brazilian and Indian boards. That slight increase in brightness (and drop in warmth/mellowness) is where I believe we'll hear the most chatter over the next 50 years as guitar companies move away from using Brazilian and Indian rosewoods for fretboards. I certainly won't be crying about it... but I bet a lot of people (more collectors than players) will use it as a whining/bragging point depending on what they've got :D
 
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In the case of Ebony for the Elites, I personally like harder fretboards and usually always opt for maple over rosewood between the two but, now, with Ebony replacing Rosewood for dark wood aesthetics, Ebony is harder than maple......This is going to be interesting for players that prefer the softer/spongier response and feel of rosewood (and, yes, this does effect tone slightly) if maple is now the "softer wood" option




Question: I know nothing about Pau Ferro, so is it softer than rosewood or harder?
Harder, and much smoother.
 
When I have to explain the difference between fact and opinion (because claims opinion are facts), it's time to move on.....

Facts were derived from opinions.

hypothesis:
noun - a supposition or proposed explanation made on the basis of limited evidence as a starting point for further investigation.
Philosophy - a proposition made as a basis for reasoning, without any assumption of its truth.
 
I heard from an importer/dealer I trust that there's a 10 kg limit, so that most existing instruments should be exempt from the restrictions.

Right now there is too much confusion going on that nothing is getting through.

There is about a 5 month back log of containers containing Ibanez products sitting on the docks waiting to be released. Ishibashi has stopped sales of instruments with rosewood on them out of the country. There has also been a few people complaining that their instruments (bought/sold internationally on eBay) have been stopped at customs with the choice to have it returned to the original shipper or receive a payout (insured value) so it could be destroyed.
 
My personal perception of "cheap" and "expensive" and "in between" are probably too closely tied into what I know about that given bass. Light-colored darkwood (other than maple) fingerboards look cheap on cheap basses, but so do rosewood boards. In my mind, it doesn't look cheap, expensive or anything until I can see the name on the headstock. If the bass IS cheap, it can't look anything but cheap no matter how dark and warm the board is.

If I believed pau ferro is used on an MIM Fender but not an MIA (it is used on MIAs, as pointed out in this thread but I'm making a scenario), then of course I'd make some negative assumptions about it. But once I saw it on a Sadowsky (also shown in this thread), I'd immediately understand that pau ferro is as appropriate a wood for fingerboards as maple or rosewood. Pau ferro wouldn't be cheap anymore, it wouldn't "look" cheap anymore, and I'd question why Fender uses it on MIMs but not MIAs.

Here's another example: If I'm blindfolded, presented with ten or twelve new maple/maple 20-fret Fender-licensed bass necks and asked to choose one, I'm going to feel around for the truss rod adjustment and choose from those that adjust at the heel. That's because most of the respectable basses and aftermarket neck makers (MIA Fender, Warmoth, Allparts, Best, WD, Lull/Sadowsky/Grosh/Pensa/A-C, likely others I know nothing about) put the truss at the heel. The budget basses/necks (MIM, Squier, Mighty Mite, SX, Stagg, etc) adjust at the headstock. Sandbergs use the headstock adjustment, but they're sort of an outlier. USACG offers both, IIRC. So, while there are always exceptions, the truss rod adjustment is one of the defining differences between a quality neck and a budget neck, and I'd say, "Feels cheap" when I hold a headstock truss neck in my hands. I'd be right more often than not.

A third example: pickups with exposed polepieces and generic 8-hole covers aren't always identifiable once installed. Could be a Fralin, could be a Squier, could be a Duncan. To my unpracticed eye, Squier pups don't look any cheaper in a bass than Aeros. But if I see a pickup on eBay with a solid cover and no logo, it's almost a dead giveaway that the pup is cheap. I don't think, "Hey, smooth covers- looks kinda like an EMG/Bart". No, it doesn't look like an EMG or a Bart. It looks like a cheap stock import pickup. I think, "Nobody of note built this pup, else they'd have put their name on it".

IMO, IME, YMMV, yada
 
In the case of Ebony for the Elites, I personally like harder fretboards and usually always opt for maple over rosewood between the two but, now, with Ebony replacing Rosewood for dark wood aesthetics, Ebony is harder than maple......This is going to be interesting for players that prefer the softer/spongier response and feel of rosewood (and, yes, this does effect tone slightly) if maple is now the "softer wood" option




Question: I know nothing about Pau Ferro, so is it softer than rosewood or harder?
According to the Janka hardness scale, hard maple is softer than the various rosewoods. Pau ferro is between maple and the rosewoods hardness-wise (with Brazilian rosewood being the hardest of the rosewoods listed).
 
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According to the Janka hardness scale, hard maple is softer than the various rosewoods. .

Ive never heard that before nor ever felt that either: Rosewood is always more spongier under my fingers than maple, especially for trampoline effect of slap bass............its possible that the wood itself may be denser but a slab of it is much more porous than maple