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Fender Purists Probably Won't Like This Idea

How would you feel if Fender went about making a modern looking bass instead of thier traditional body styles, and headstocks. Think something along the lines of their MB4/MB5 design, but with: slight body/headstock modifications, active electronics, quality wood, quality pickups, and hardware. Basically a higher end MIA Model. View attachment 4376640
Sort of like what Coke tried do do with "New Coke" years ago. Major fail. And besides, if you're a Fender player, the rest of those basses are just plain ugly. IMHO
 
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They were, but you really had to like the sound and feel of those carbon fiber round backs, and while I could barely tolerate the feel of small bowl backs, I hated the large bowl backs!
Ovation must have made a small comeback about 10-15 years ago. I remember them being a hot topic in the guitar community, so much that I thought it was a brand new design. I had no idea it was so old. I never could get past how much the plastic body would slide around on my torso. Perhaps they should have used rhino liner.
 
This is one of Fenders forays into "Modern Looking" Basses, it is a 1990 Fender Kubicki Jazz Bass in Blue Burst with Lace PUPs, I have owned it since new (Bought in 1991) and love it, the neck is fantastic and wonderful to play. I had to scrap the Kubicki electronics (About 5 years ago) and went totally passive, I could have probably messed with the electronics a bit but when I went totally passive it opened up the basses low and high end immensely IMHO. Luckily someone on here wanted the Kubicki electronics so they got recycled...
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I have the same paint job on my heartfield DR. Probably came from the same factory.
 
Why do it? If someone wants a modern instrument, what would be the benefit to them of having it built by a company with the long traditions? Why do people get worried that not all companies are attempting everything? Do they get annoyed that their guitarists can't play the drums?

Fender did buy Kubiciki and seems to have totally lost interest in producing them. I think this is a major failure on Fender's part. They did the same with Guild, though Guild has recovered on its own.
 
Right, a complicated story. Fender bought Kaman in 2010 or 2011, Takamine decided to leave Fender in 2015 and go indie (I just found this out tonight...I thought Takamine was still at Fender and had no idea about their KMC connection), and around the same time, FMIC sold Kaman to JAM in Canada, and nww Takamine is distributed by Kaman, who has resurrected both Hamer and Ovation, Hamer being another brand that quit selling major and FMIC shut down.


Fender gave SWR every chance to succeed for 10 years.

As I recall SWR was quite successful. I don't know why Fender discontinued the line. My Super Redhead is my go to for small/medium venues.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't SWR fairly transparent sounding? If they were, then I'd think they'd be in fashion right now, and good competition against the manufacturers that are releasing transparent sounding gear.
No, they had a pretty major mid scoop. On some of their amps you could dial it out, but it resulted in increased noise and just didn’t sound all that great when you did.
 
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The relaunch of the Heartfield line would be awesome. The DR5’s were killer basses and ahead of their time really. With updated graphite reinforced necks, the balanced outputs, active EQ, 5 and 6 string extended scale lengths….they could really knock out some excellent instruments at reasonable prices by updating some designs already in their stable.
 
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Just for further clarification, is that their heads or cabs? I was referring to their cabs being transparent sounding.
Oh, well no commercial bass cabs have flat response, and even the ones that are designed for that aren't 100% flat, either, unless they enlist the help of DSP. I think some people think of cabs with jacked up tweeters as sounding "transparent," and that's how SWR had that reputation for a while.
 
Oh, well no commercial bass cabs have flat response, and even the ones that are designed for that aren't 100% flat, either, unless they enlist the help of DSP. I think some people think of cabs with jacked up tweeters as sounding "transparent," and that's how SWR had that reputation for a while.

True on none being flat, but this answer clears things up for me pertaining to SWR. Thanks!
 
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It’s almost as if the OP has no idea of the history of FMI. They spent a shipload of money developing, manufacturing and marketing the Dimension Bass line just a few years ago. They are excellent, attractive instruments, more or less FMI’s take on a Music Man StingRay.





They were a complete failure in the marketplace, and quickly dropped from the line.

Fender’s latest foray is Fender Japan’s re-release of the Katana Bass.



And it wasn’t that long ago (2009) that Fender was still making the American Deluxe Jazz Bass V with the smaller body style introduced in 1990 as the US Plus Series Jazz Bass Plus V, with active electronics and Bill Lawrence designed SCN single-coil noiseless pickups. Put this alongside a regular Jazz Bass, and you will immediately see the dramatic difference. This model was in production from 1998-2009, at least. I’m a little unclear about the mid-1990s, but I think the Plus went from 1990-1994.

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This is one of Fenders forays into "Modern Looking" Basses, it is a 1990 Fender Kubicki Jazz Bass in Blue Burst with Lace PUPs, I have owned it since new (Bought in 1991) and love it, the neck is fantastic and wonderful to play. I had to scrap the Kubicki electronics (About 5 years ago) and went totally passive, I could have probably messed with the electronics a bit but when I went totally passive it opened up the basses low and high end immensely IMHO. Luckily someone on here wanted the Kubicki electronics so they got recycled...

FTR, that is not a “Fender Kubicki Jazz Bass”, it is a Fender Jazz Bass Plus V. The only thing Kubicki about it was that Phil designed the preamp.
 
I have never in my life owned a traditional Precision Bass or Jazz Bass, and I can confidently state that I never will, because I have never liked either of them and never will.

My first bass was a 1992 Fender Jazz Bass Plus V Ash, at the time Fender’s top of the range model, and it remained my main bass for almost 20 years. It was widely criticised by people for “not sounding like a Jazz Bass”, due to its Fender Lace Sensor pickups and Phil Kubicki-designed active preamp, but I never got anything but compliments on my tone from other musicians.

The 2004-2009 Fender American Deluxe Jazz Bass V (a couple of posts above) is, for me, the epitome of what a bass ought to be. It is, essentially, the updated version of my old Jazz Bass Plus V. Some body style, updated electronics, a little closer in appearance to the original Jazz Bass, with a pickguard and chrome control plate, but with four knobs and an active preamp hiding under them. It is so obviously not a traditional Jazz Bass that I hope Boomers despise it, so prices stay reasonable in the future.

In fact, I will even say that this body style is the only body style Fender ever produced that I find attractive, and that includes guitars as well as basses. I think ever other Fender that came before it is ugly. Even the Dimension isn’t quite as pretty, though the Dimension is my second favorite Fender. Neither the small body Jazz nor the Dimension were designed by Leo—horrors! The only guitars and basses designed by Leo I think are truly beautiful are the StingRay bass and guitar, and maybe the Espada.

My next two basses will be the 2004-2009 American Deluxe Jazz Bass V, one fretted, one fretless, though likely Warmoth versions of it, since Warmoth still makes it, and that means I can get Custom Shop quality without the Custom Shop price. And if I hit the lottery, maybe I’ll pick up a couple of Fender American Deluxe Dimension Bass V models, just because they are awesome basses that silly Boomers refuse to play “because it doesn’t look/sound like a Precision Bass or a Jazz Bass”.

And if I can’t get that, then I’ll get a Sandberg California TT5, which is nearly identical, and still almost nothing like a traditional Jazz Bass or Precision Bass.

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