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Fender Rumble Club

Do they really improve the rumble sound? I mean, I love rumbles, I got nothing against them. Even using as a proffesional rig, at a gig or on stage, they are good enough... and then some!

Compared to some more higher end stuff like Aguilar, they don’t really sound ‘muddy’ exactly, just not as clean.
Obviously there is a major price difference, but even so, the difference is not that big, and I would never even had to consider any Aguilar or super expensive gear now I’ve got a rumble!

Does this improve the sound, though? In what way? I am very interested!
High Pass Filter (HPF) and Low Pass Filter (LPF) Mega Thread

That thread is a must read. Most any questions regarding HPF and LPF applications are answered there. ( hats off to Stumbo for starting it )
 
Also from the Rumble 40/100/200/500 Manual:

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That’s what happens when marketing types get involved in writing manuals.
I don’t think any of the major bass amp manufacturers use digital power amps, hopefully Linnin will be along shortly to clear things up.
I remember when almost everyone thought that the 'D' in D-Class meant digital. Turns out not so and that D-Class is just a specific class of solid state amps pioneered by ICE Power of Denmark in cooperation with Bang & Olufsen. V2 Rumble 150 and 350 were the first D-Class Rumbles with ICE Power modules. V3 Rumble 100 had the first in house Fender designed D-Class power section.
 
I remember when almost everyone thought that the 'D' in D-Class meant digital. Turns out not so and that D-Class is just a specific class of solid state amps pioneered by ICE Power of Denmark in cooperation with Bang & Olufsen. V2 Rumble 150 and 350 were the first D-Class Rumbles with ICE Power modules. V3 Rumble 100 had the first in house Fender designed D-Class power section.
Thanks Linnin!
 
Let me rant on a minute or two. The anti-Fender propaganda is that all Fenders are 'scooped'. All their amps are 'scooped'. All their pickups are 'scooped'. All their strings are 'scooped'. [No joke! Some have said that they don't like Fender strings because they are 'scooped'.] Hell, even Fender straps are 'scooped'!

When Leo Fender was designing what became known as the 'Brownfaced' amps in 1960, he added the first midrange control to his now famous passive tone stack. His amps had so many mids that he made his midrange control cut only. That's right, Fender amps had so many mids that he made his midrange control cut only. Bass & Treble were boost only. Not all amps had a midrange control. And to make things even more confusing all the tone controls were passive and interactive. If you turned down the treble you also turned down the mids (whether or not you had a midrange control, it made no difference). Same thing with the bass control. Turn up the bass and you turned up the mids at the very same time. I remember the Fender tone stack well. B.B. King set his at 6-6-6. I set mine at 7-7-7.

At this time Leo Fender invented the 'piggy back' amp head in 1961-62. These were the very first amp heads. Showman first then the Bassman. These amps would go on to become the much vaunted and highly sought after 'Blackfaced' series launched in 1963-64 as the Brownfaces had to be sold before new Blackfaces were manufactured. Later in 1968 they would become the 'Silverfaced' amps. There were some circuitry mods but the same basic Leo Fender design. These things sold like hot cakes & bourbon on Sunday morning. I loved my Silverfaced Bassman 100.

If you want to know about the birth of Fender Bass Amplification and the Fender Rumble series, read chapter 27 of Tom Wheeler's 'The Soul of Tone'. Fender Rumbles were based on the signature Fender tone from day one. This has not changed. Fender amps have never been 'scooped' and they never will be.

Introduced in 2003, Fender Rumbles were well received. They sounded good and were as teenager proof as you could make an amp. The pulsating 'disco' LEDs on the Rumble 60 and 100 added to teenage appeal. By 2009 Fender Rumbles were the best selling bass amps world wide. A global achievement that Fender Rumble would continue to reach year after year, and even today they are still the world's best selling bass amps.

Fender Rumbles outsell all but one company's total annual output. Some day soon I look forward to announcing that Fender Rumble sales have outstripped all bass amp companies combined. It is very close, but not today. Soon.

Edited with accurate dates thanks to @RColie
About the same other than the wattage ratings and one channel. If you don't have the manual, it's http://carvinimages.com/manuals/BX600-BX1200.pdf

Contour is the scoop, go left with it and you have no mid scoop.

Bass knob is at 80 Hz, I'd say no more than +3db if you are playing loud.

Treble to taste. It's 5 KHzish.

The semi-para are labeled, best to cut what is too much over boost what is too little. But the Fender cabs should handle either. Graphic is similar. Check: Audio Info & Education

That is great info! You're the man! Thanks...
 
With all of the stuff they have come up with recently, I'm surprised they haven't thought of this one sooner. It is sexy! I'm a burst guy, so that's the one for me, but the Daphne is pretty sweet too. Not a fan of the 70s headstock, so that's the only change I can think I would make. If I played more electric, I would have to have one. So, I'll stick with 4 already in my closet.
That Daphne is beautiful. Might have to rethink my next guitar purchase. I’ve been on a quest to find a nice used Tele, but they seem to stick with their owners forever. Teles will always be around. I’m guessing those will be around for a bit, but then go away for the next new thing. So maybe oughta start thinking about getting one....
 
I have to resign. I sold the Rumble 200 and bought an Ampeg BA210. The difference with the MM Ray35 is significant. There is much more definition and power to the output, and I can control the tone so much better. I'm not sure what it is that mnade the difference. I tried a Rumble Stage 800 at the same time when I bought the Ampeg and it was loud, but the same issues of definition and tone came up and that has the 2 x 10" in it. Maybe a wiser person can explain but the result with the BA210 is excellent. I intend to put a 1 x 15" or a 4 x 10" under it depending on trials. Cheers
 
I have to resign. I sold the Rumble 200 and bought an Ampeg BA210. The difference with the MM Ray35 is significant. There is much more definition and power to the output, and I can control the tone so much better. I'm not sure what it is that mnade the difference. I tried a Rumble Stage 800 at the same time when I bought the Ampeg and it was loud, but the same issues of definition and tone came up and that has the 2 x 10" in it. Maybe a wiser person can explain but the result with the BA210 is excellent. I intend to put a 1 x 15" or a 4 x 10" under it depending on trials. Cheers
I would avoid the BA210. Bought one not long ago, used it a handful of times at moderate levels and have a “rattling” issue. I’m not the only one. Get a separate head and cab. Avoid the combo!
 
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FOH = Front Of House... So it goes through the bars / clubs PA system, and the sound guy/gal (that is employed by the house (not always, but usually), controls what the audience / establishment hears..
Not usually here in Texas. It is rare to have a sound system and even more rare to have a sound man. In the last 3 years gigging 3 to 4 time a month, I've had FOH with a sound man 2 times.
 
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So my band opened for Crash Test Dummies last night. I ended up using my GK MB212II combo for the show as I wasnt clear on the set up or tear down time. Turns out I would have been ok. But I'm happy eaither way. I was torn down and loaded in my car in about 10 min after we said thank you and good night.

But I did catch a pick of Dan Robert's bass rig... a Fender Rumble 500 Cobo on what I think was a Rumble 115 cab or a is it a Bassman 115?

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Not usually here in Texas. It is rare to have a sound system and even more rare to have a sound man. In the last 3 years gigging 3 to 4 time a month, I've had FOH with a sound man 2 times.

Yeah, I'll second that. Another Texas guy here. The only time we (the many bands I've been in that last 30+ years) had a PA we didn't haul in was when we opened for someone bigger. Even when there was a house PA in a club, we used our own because the house PA was for DJ use only or karaoke. And then it was usually a single powered speaker on a pole and a 4 channel mixer. Just FYI, this is the central Texas area. Lots of small, crowded bars and tables-moved-away stages in restaurants. Shoot, even the large dance halls around here don't have a house PA.

The exceptions: Austin 6th street and some larger Dallas/Houston venues. But I did NOT like the Dallas sound guys... So clickish, so willing to make you sound like trash if you suggest how your band should sound. I guess I'm saying they were your typical sound guys :) 6th street is fun, but don't expect much money, too many startup kids willing to play for free. I'd go off-6th for Austin unless your just doing it for fun. Sorry, rambling...

That's why I need rig options. Small, medium and large. I like so much that I now have 2 Fender Rumble combos; a 200 and a 500. That gives me my 3 options - 200, 500, or stacked. Plus my back likes it too. Its been less angry lately, I must say. Often, my bass doesn't have FOH support (or just in the subs) for the small to mid-sized venues and I'm on my own. I've only had my Rumbles (200 for around 4 months, the 500 for a couple), and I'm about to sell off a ton of bass gear I've collected over the years (4 various brand full multi-cab w/ head setups, all powered by lead).
 
Okay, I'd like to ask fellow Rumblers for their input -

I've got two v3 combos, the 200 (1x15) and the 500 (2x10). They sound good stacked and slaved (effect out of the top 500 into the effect return of the bottom 200 - one vol and EQ to rule them all).

However, I would like more out of the 15 to get more of a meatier tone.

As is (slaved) -
the 500 is pushing something like 350 watts to the 2 10s at 8 ohms (internal).
the 200 is pushing something like 150 watts to the 1 15 at 8 ohms (internal).

If I modify the 200 so that I can bypass the amp and it becomes a simple 1x15 cabinet, then the 500 is pushing 500 watts at 4 ohms to all -
the 2x10s get 250 watts (8 ohms)
the 1x15 gets 250 watts (8 ohms) - I know it will support at least 350 watts

Basically, its a similar total watts, but it gets redistributed evenly instead of the 10s getting more. I like the more "muddy" sound of a larger speaker, with a bit of 10s definition punching through the middle of it. Muddy is not the right word, but I can't quite think of it. Lower, fuller, softer, more in your chest. Maybe "meatier" like I used before.

Has anyone done/experienced this? Is this going to get more of the tone I like or would this be a wasted effort? I know people have modded their combos to be used as simple cabs, but has anyone put these two specific combos together in this way? If so, how was the result?
 
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A couple of months ago, I picked up a 210 and 112 used because the price was just too good to pass up (new condition, $350 for the pair, delivered to me). I finally had the chance to try the 210 in a band situation this weekend. Surprising crisp tone. Not as light or as small as my other cabs, but certainly nice to have around so I can leave one cab at my rehearsal spot. I would be quite happy with these on a gig.