Fender Rumble Club

[BBassBassington]

As you can tell, I am very behind on my Rumble required reading :-(.

I have a Rumble 410v2 and I love the sound of it. It is my preferred outdoor speaker cabinet. To me it seems to have quite a punchy tone and be quite efficient. I run it with either a Little Mark 250 (250w@4 Ohm) or a Peavey Nitrobass (300w@4 Ohm). Even though these heads are "under powered" for it, I have never had a problem not having the volume needed with significant reserve. Another nice feature is for a 4x10, it is relatively compact (not very deep) and fits easily in the trunk of my 2006 Toyota Corolla (a requirement when I bought it).

I do have one issue with it. The type and placement of the handles makes it difficult for me to transport it by myself. It is heavy but for me that is not the real transportation issue. One problem is the handles are too close to the top of the cab, making it hard and unbalanced to swing the top up to my belly and carry it. Too much weight below the handles.

The other problem is the handle type. They are the swing out type and I have to go up/down narrow stairways and 30" doors. Unless I am really careful, I will get scraped knuckles or worse.

As a comparison, I have a pair of Peavey BX 115 cabs (early 90's vintage) which are about the same weight but much bulkier (I need to transport them on top of my car, one at a time which I did from Accomac, VA to Saratoga Springs, NY). However, the handles are placed lower on the cab and are the recessed type. Because of this, I can carry them much easier. To me, these non-sonic characteristics are important.

Now back to the good things. I did my first gig this year a couple of weekends ago for an outdoor private party with a new band using the 410 and the Peavey head. It did sound good and got some significant good comments on the sound. Anyway, here is a not-so-great picture of it at the gig.

I am interested in the functional differences between the V2 and V3 versions of the 410. I looked around a while ago but other than appearance (grill, color) I could not find any.

I know very little about the v2 Rumbles unfortunately. There's something rattling around in my brain saying the speakers had neodymium magnets and if that's the case the v3s have different speakers for sure. Though I imagine either way they do. (FWIW I'm in love with the Eminence 10s in the v3s.)

Lighter is a possibility, as the v3 is like 67lbs(?) and it does have the proper recessed handles but they're at functionally the same height if not higher on the v3. And that's about all I know. Hopefully others will chime in with more experience.

Edit: Yes, let's post and then read some basic facts. The v3 is lighter and does indeed have different (better) speakers and is basically the same size it seems. It's also 8ohms instead of 4 which would mean less power from your amps.

 

[BBassBassington]

Might not be too hard to replace the handles on the v2 cab with some recessed ones. Have you taken off the current handles and looked at what you've got to work with in that regard? Or even just considered cutting out some holes lower down and having double handles?

 

[G-Dog]

... ... I am interested in the functional differences between the V2 and V3 versions of the 410. I looked around a while ago but other than appearance (grill, color) I could not find any.

I believe the only functional difference between the V2 & V3 Rumble 410 cabs is that the V2 is 4 ohms and the V3 is 8 ohms. So, most amps could only push one V2 410, but could push two V3 410s.

Oh, and the V3 has a Speakon connector, but V2 doesn't.

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[bassdeal]

Might not be too hard to replace the handles on the v2 cab with some recessed ones. Have you taken off the current handles and looked at what you've got to work with in that regard? Or even just considered cutting out some holes lower down and having double handles?

Humm I am a bit reluctant to cut big holes in the cabinet. Maybe replace the swing-out handles with recessed ones if they were direct replacements. The issue is mostly when moving it in and out of the house. Once outside, I use a hand truck to move it.

 

[Miles_ONeal]

As you can tell, I am very behind on my Rumble required reading :-(.

I have a Rumble 410v2 and I love the sound of it. It is my preferred outdoor speaker cabinet. To me it seems to have quite a punchy tone and be quite efficient. I run it with either a Little Mark 250 (250w@4 Ohm) or a Peavey Nitrobass (300w@4 Ohm). Even though these heads are "under powered" for it, I have never had a problem not having the volume needed with significant reserve. Another nice feature is for a 4x10, it is relatively compact (not very deep) and fits easily in the trunk of my 2006 Toyota Corolla (a requirement when I bought it).

I do have one issue with it. The type and placement of the handles makes it difficult for me to transport it by myself. It is heavy but for me that is not the real transportation issue. One problem is the handles are too close to the top of the cab, making it hard and unbalanced to swing the top up to my belly and carry it. Too much weight below the handles.

The other problem is the handle type. They are the swing out type and I have to go up/down narrow stairways and 30" doors. Unless I am really careful, I will get scraped knuckles or worse.

As a comparison, I have a pair of Peavey BX 115 cabs (early 90's vintage) which are about the same weight but much bulkier (I need to transport them on top of my car, one at a time which I did from Accomac, VA to Saratoga Springs, NY). However, the handles are placed lower on the cab and are the recessed type. Because of this, I can carry them much easier. To me, these non-sonic characteristics are important.

Now back to the good things. I did my first gig this year a couple of weekends ago for an outdoor private party with a new band using the 410 and the Peavey head. It did sound good and got some significant good comments on the sound. Anyway, here is a not-so-great picture of it at the gig.

I am interested in the functional differences between the V2 and V3 versions of the 410. I looked around a while ago but other than appearance (grill, color) I could not find any.

If it’s out of warranty, you can get recessed handles and install them or have them installed. (I also would have preferred that as a design choice.)

 

[BBassBassington]

Humm I am a bit reluctant to cut big holes in the cabinet. Maybe replace the swing-out handles with recessed ones if they were direct replacements. The issue is mostly when moving it in and out of the house. Once outside, I use a hand truck to move it.

Understandably. I'd look into what you've got to work with and what handles will be as close to direct replacements as possible.

 

[green3101]

Yeah, greenie! That's the stuff! @green3101, you are now member #1347 in the Fender Rumble Club. Congratulations and welcome. Put that number in your TB Signature for safe keeping. And checkout the Rumble Club Wiki page for all assembled Rumbling wisdom and knowledge.

I know you've been visiting here a bit, greenie, but tell us a bit about your bass experience and Rumble journey, anyway. I think you already know that you'll fit in here just fine. Glad to have you join us to ... ...

Rumble On!
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Thanks G-Dog!

only home use so far but loving the 500

big fan of the overdrive channel on low gain settings (dial around 9 o clock). Plays really nicely with my MBD2 distortion pedal!

 

[slowreflex]

I suspect this is probably buried in this thread somewhere, but can I use the Effects Send on the Studio 40 into another amps input? And if I do that is there anything I need to watch out for? The other amp does not have an Effects Loop.

 

[G-Dog]

I suspect this is probably buried in this thread somewhere, but can I use the Effects Send on the Studio 40 into another amps input? And if I do that is there anything I need to watch out for? The other amp does not have an Effects Loop.

Yes, slow, you can do that per one of the Rumble Talks linked on our Rumble Club Wiki page. But you could be overdriving the input, per this post and might need to reduce the gain on the second amp.

BTW, slow, you still need to show us a pic of your Rumble to officially join The Club.
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[GonePlaid]

Humm I am a bit reluctant to cut big holes in the cabinet. Maybe replace the swing-out handles with recessed ones if they were direct replacements. The issue is mostly when moving it in and out of the house. Once outside, I use a hand truck to move it.

Furniture dolly, $3.99 @ Harbor Freight

 

[bassdeal]

Thanks for the idea. I actually use a hand truck once I get it out of the house. Much better on steps and uneven surfaces than a furniture dolly. More expensive but well worth it.

What I find a dolly useful for is moving heavy equipment, like a rack of heavy PA equipment, around the rehearsal room.

I have a home-made furniture dolly based on fairly heavy-duty casters from an old very heavy Kustom speaker cabinet. I found the hand truck much more flexible and the casters actually got in the way.

I did use the furniture dolly with the hand truck to move a 4-bedroom house full of stuff from Accomac, Virginia to Gloversville, NY last December. A brutal task even with good tools.

 

[GonePlaid]

Thanks for the idea. I actually use a hand truck once I get it out of the house. Much better on steps and uneven surfaces than a furniture dolly. More expensive but well worth it.

What I find a dolly useful for is moving heavy equipment, like a rack of heavy PA equipment, around the rehearsal room.

I have a home-made furniture dolly based on fairly heavy-duty casters from an old very heavy Kustom speaker cabinet. I found the hand truck much more flexible and the casters actually got in the way.

I did use the furniture dolly with the hand truck to move a 4-bedroom house full of stuff from Accomac, Virginia to Gloversville, NY last December. A brutal task even with good tools.

I just figured use it to get the beast to the door-where you gots room to maneuver. I have a coupla hand trucks, a refrigerator one w/ straps, and a cart, using whatever works for the situation.

 

[insomehonkytonk]

Hey Rumble fans,

I have an outdoor gig, a 4th of July “street fair” coming up, country-rock. I have a Bassman TV Fifteen, 350 watts through 15 inch speaker that I think will get me through, or I can pony up for a Rumble Stage 800 plus the extension cab for 800 bucks said and done, that’s a dollar a watt! Which would bring me up to 4x10s, but would there’d be a definitive advantage over the TV Fifteen?

Math says the 800 is only 4 decibels louder, that’s barely audible to the discerning listener. I haven’t done the math on speaker SPL. Thoughts appreciated

 

[SoulReflection]

I just figured use it to get the beast to the door-where you gots room to maneuver. I have a coupla hand trucks, a refrigerator one w/ straps, and a cart, using whatever works for the situation.

I have a smaller version of one like this (was great for that old Peavey beast I used to own):

 

[GonePlaid]

I have a smaller version of one like this (was great for that old Peavey beast I used to own):
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That's like a manual forklift!

 

[JPDsma]

Humm I am a bit reluctant to cut big holes in the cabinet. Maybe replace the swing-out handles with recessed ones if they were direct replacements. The issue is mostly when moving it in and out of the house. Once outside, I use a hand truck to move it.

You could just add two more identical handles lower down or move the existing and plug any holes.

 

[G-Dog]

Hey Rumble fans,

I have an outdoor gig, a 4th of July “street fair” coming up, country-rock. ... ...

Hey there, John! You mean you didn't tell 'em to take that gig and ..., well, you know? (Sorry, I just couldn't resist. )

Ummm, ... by the way, you put the wrong Rumble Club member number in your TB Signature. You are actually #1289, not 1291. Mmm'kay?​

... ... I have a Bassman TV Fifteen, 350 watts through 15 inch speaker that I think will get me through, or I can pony up for a Rumble Stage 800 plus the extension cab for 800 bucks said and done, that’s a dollar a watt! Which would bring me up to 4x10s, ... ...

A. Man, that's a pretty sweet Bassman, which also entitles you to membership in the Fender Bassman Club by just posting a pic of it there.

2. A Rumble Stage 800 210 combo ,including a Rumble 210 extension cab, all for just $800!?! That is SUCH a deal, if everything's in good shape and working right! AND If you're ready for the literally thousands of tonal options you can get outta that rig. From now to July 4th might just be enough time to become somewhat familiar with it's various features.​

... ... but would there’d be a definitive advantage over the TV Fifteen?

Math says the 800 is only 4 decibels louder, that’s barely audible to the discerning listener. I haven’t done the math on speaker SPL. Thoughts appreciated

Yes, John, although I'm no acoustics expert (and don't even play one on TV), I'll give you my opinions. Hopefully, others here wiil too.

III. The cone area of 2x10" speakers is roughly equivalent to that of a single 15" speaker. So, two 210 cabs each pumping up to 400 watts is basically more than double the sound pressure of that one 15" pumping up to 350 watts. NOT double the volume, of course, but significantly more powerful feel, more headroom, etc.

iv. The essentially vertical array of those 4x10" speakers creates a coupling effect that significantly enhances the tone and the sound distribution like no other configuration. Remember the Grateful Dead stages with speakers stacked sky high? That's what they were going for. The vertical 4x10s isn't quite that, but it's supposed to be something quite special.

So, good luck, sir! Please keep us informed of your decision.
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[JPDsma]

Just a quick note on dB.... The workplace health folks have a 3 dB rule. Essentially any 3 dB change in measured sound levels is a doubling or halving of sound level because it is a log scale.. ...Understanding the 3dB rule for controlling workplace noise levels.

 

[insomehonkytonk]

Just a quick note on dB.... The workplace health folks have a 3 dB rule. Essentially any 3 dB change in measured sound levels is a doubling or halving of sound level because it is a log scale.. ...Understanding the 3dB rule for controlling workplace noise levels.

Right, but a 3 dB change would be barely perceptible to human ears, it takes 5 or 6 dB change for a noticeable audible difference

 

[G-Dog]

Just a quick note on dB.... The workplace health folks have a 3 dB rule. Essentially any 3 dB change in measured sound levels is a doubling or halving of sound level because it is a log scale.. ...Understanding the 3dB rule for controlling workplace noise levels.

Right, but a 3 dB change would be barely perceptible to human ears, it takes 5 or 6 dB change for a noticeable audible difference

I wouldn't get hung up on the perception of audible volume, so much. That's the danger of hearing damage from the logarithmic scale of decibel measurement. It's not so much a perception issue as an energy issue. Doubling the energy inflicting the auditory nerve is deceptively harmful since it's not as easily perceived at high levels. So, the starting level being doubled is very significant! Doubling a 5-watt amp is not nearly as bad as doubling a 50-watt amp, but when you go doubling a 500-watt amp you're in dangerous territory. Then, too, length of exposure is a serious concern, since your perception decreases with more exposure. At high levels, every minute counts (hurts, sooner or later). Take it from a (nearly) deaf old frt.

There's a reason that the long-time pros like a quiet stage and let the FOH take care of the audience.
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