Exactly. If you send it "Post" every change you make on your amp, changes what gets sent to the mixer.
Sending it "Pre" means any change you make on the amp will not have any effect out front.
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Sending it "Pre" means any change you make on the amp will not have any effect out front.
I get what y’all are saying. My BX250 has a pre/post switch as well as a separate DI level control. So yes, EQ changes would be reflected in the post DI setting but not in the pre. I was hoping for a the DI LEVEL to be independent of the master volume level but if I understand correctly it is not.
This is just a guess, but if there is no Pre/Post switch, the XLR DI is by "default" set to Pre. The reason for there to be a "Post" setting is if a bass player wants "his/her" amp tone going out front as well. That would be preferable for those running their own sound/PA instead of a soundman controlling it.
Like if you run your bass amp through your own PA and you control it, you wouldn't want to have to run out front to make adjustments to the PA sound every time you made tone changes to your amp. It would automatically be sent to the mixer in "Post" mode.
And I believe (whether it's Pre or Post), the volume doesn't change out front if you turn your amp up on stage. I think it is only the tone controls/EQ.
You can easily test that though.
I always got a DI/preamp pedal in my case, just in case.
This one for pennies, and works great. So FoH can choose which XLR they want: pre or post (usually its post from my r100).
The final pedal on my board is my Super 800 Plus preamp/DI. If I need to use a DI, I tend to use that one just because less gain stages == less noise.I always got a DI/preamp pedal in my case, just in case.
This one for pennies, and works great. So FoH can choose which XLR they want: pre or post (usually its post from my r100).
The original V3 block diagram shows the DI coming off the FX return connection. This puts the DI after the preamp and all its controls[1] unless you are feeding your instrument into the FX return from a pedal (or high output active bass?)
[1] In other words, right before the power amplifier.
Which is basically a full open 100W CLASS D circuit.
(I love class d, so efficient)
I think basically I’ll just need to use a separate DI. I do have a Genzler preamp/ DI pedal that would work fine, albeit a bit overkill. I also have a simple passive DI that would also work. Was hoping to keep it simple. Oh well.
Since hearing that SOME, but not all, Rumble 100 units being made in recent years have this power supply-Pre/Post modification I've assumed that their block diagram is similar to that of the Rumble 800, with the Master control after the FX Loop and the XLR Out. Therefore, the Master volume would never affect the level if the XLR Out, as most Rumbles 40, 100, 200 & 500 have until recently. (Of course, the Gain & EQ still do, but to a lesser degree than the Master volume used to do). And, according to many testimonials, the Master affects on the XLR Out level was never really that big a deal anyway!
We've not had FOH since 2015 so I/we don't give a 'carp'.
Many Rumblers who always have FOH, and their soundpersons, don't give a carp, either!
Salmon times I take a carp just for the halibut, but you can't tuna fish or turn-a-pike if you're not a sturgeon surgeon!
First thing in the morning? Carp-e diem!
I think it was a "fair" design choice from Fender to make the DI "as if it had a mic in front of the combo" approach. Despite it's not common, so people see it as weird.
Because the "old"/original Rumble DI is after master and has a built-in CAB sim too! Just if You'd mic up a combo.
D
For some crazy reason, I'm looking at getting a Fender Rumble combo amp for band rehearsal and maybe even small gigs. I've narrowed it down to two options:
The Rumble 500 with 2x10 and 500 watts @ $679 and the Rumble 200 with 1x15 and 200 watts @ $609. I actually don't need another amp but it might be nice to have a 1-piece back up for the convenience. I play mostly 80's covers in a 5 piece band. Thoughts?
The Rumble 500 with 2x10 and 500 watts @ $679 and the Rumble 200 with 1x15 and 200 watts @ $609. I actually don't need another amp but it might be nice to have a 1-piece back up for the convenience. I play mostly 80's covers in a 5 piece band. Thoughts?
Actually I think so too. I was just hoping. I guess I’ve been spoiled by my Carvin BX amps (I have 3) and my Eden WT300. Different target than the Rumble combos. The problem lies more with the people running sound that are not professionals by any means having to use a Midas M32 digital board that has a steep learning curve and seems to have a mind of its own at times with inexperienced running it. I’m just trying to eliminate one more variable in the system. This is a story for another time and place however. Thanks for all the comments/suggestions.
I would lean toward the Rumble 200 but that is a better fit for my playing/sound. Wildcard suggestion: (sorry about it not being what you narrowed your search down to) but two Rumble 100s daisychained is a popular pathway in Rumbleville.
Local dealers and Sweetwater might be able to beat the posted price. Asking might save you $.
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