Looks good. I see they also mention silver. Interesting.
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Posted May 26, 2025: Quite a different look!
The image is clipped from the Bass Centre website in Australia. These are the same price as the original black combos.
Saw there was an Ivory Rumble at 25 and 500 watts. Did not know any available in between wattage wise?
Guitar Center
www.guitarcenter.com
Yeah, Giffy. Apparently you Aussies have had at least the 25, 40, 100, 200 & 500 for the last several months! And on Reverb I could only find one 230v UK Ivory R200 sold from Malaysia.
But, in the US, I've only ever seen the Ivory Rumble 25 or 500 from GC or MF.
“Ivory snd silver”. I suspected silver refers to the grillcloth & trim bits.
Hmm. If I had a second R100 in "Ivory", at least I'd know which was which w/o resorting to "Post-It" notes.
This, of course, assumes I could afford a second R100. Mufunzalo.
Dunno. Changed the speaker in one of my r100s and there is a significant volume difference. Now I got two 100W combos, except one is louder.
If I compare them by Watts, they're equal! 
Well, OKAY, but RMS is just a mathematical formula to average/aggregate power.
But we just can't (OK let's say shouldn't) pump direct current to a speaker. It would just kill it even faster, because there would be 0 ventillation.
Speakers (cabs) are a really complicated "resistive load" as in what the AMP "sees", it's not linear at all depending on the frequency and even the physical cab design changes it, as the "air itself does resist while moving".
So Yea, I get we introduce RMS as a simplified value, but at the same time don't really.
As we would measure different RMSs at different freqs and waveforms what even You've cleverly stated above.
Should I compare 2 bass combos by a measurement taken e.g. @1kHz @1W @1m? What if it's "RMS" came from mostly high freqs?
What I'm saying is that we compare "work" (Watts), but we do compare the electrical "work" (and even that is a calculated formula), not the physically moved air by any means and will be converted mostly into heat by the speaker anyways.
Pumping the same 100Watts into an 8x10" vs. a 1x12" will sound so different. It even sounds different in my 2 r100s after one has a different 12". @around 1.5kHz, the difference is huge: 5-7 dBs.
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Yes, and it's the power figure that you need to calculate how much the voice coil will heat up.
And that's called sensitivity. I'm extremely annoyed that cabinet makers (including Fender) are so averse to mention frequency response (without saying whether it's ±3 dB, ±6 dB or -10 dB) and/or sensitivity/max SPL (then you could calculate sensitivity from impedance and maximum power handling), making direct comparisons difficult if not outright impossible.But we just can't (OK let's say shouldn't) pump direct current to a speaker. It would just kill it even faster, because there would be 0 ventillation.
Speakers (cabs) are a really complicated "resistive load" as in what the AMP "sees", it's not linear at all depending on the frequency and even the physical cab design changes it, as the "air itself does resist while moving".
So Yea, I get we introduce RMS as a simplified value, but at the same time don't really.
As we would measure different RMSs at different freqs and waveforms what even You've cleverly stated above.
Should I compare 2 bass combos by a measurement taken e.g. @1kHz @1W @1m? What if it's "RMS" came from mostly high freqs?
What I'm saying is that we compare "work" (Watts), but we do compare the electrical "work" (and even that is a calculated formula), not the physically moved air by any means and will be converted mostly into heat by the speaker anyways.
Pumping the same 100Watts into an 8x10" vs. a 1x12" will sound so different. It even sounds different in my 2 r100s after one has a different 12". @around 1.5kHz, the difference is huge: 5-7 dBs.
That's a very good question, actually. Considering that sensitivity is measured at 1 kHz and either 1 W or 2.83 V (which favors 4 Ω speakers since then they're measured at 2 watts!), you don't really know what frequency response the cab has. You can only hope it's flat (within ±3 dB) or reasonably flat (±6 dB), but if it's not, you're SOL as to what actual SPL you will get from it.Should I compare 2 bass combos by a measurement taken e.g. @1kHz @1W @1m? What if it's "RMS" came from mostly high freqs?
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Yes. And if You look at the measurement table I made with a quick freq. analyisis, it is not linear at all. (why would it be)
At low freqs, the stock speaker is within 1-2 dBs with the basslite, but at mids (what's actually the bulk of the bass guitar tone) the difference is quite huge.
If You love "scooped" tone, the basslite is actually worse than the stock speaker!
So choosing different freqs would simply benefit one speaker/cab design over another. At the same "100Watts" or whatever.
Pursuing simple answers (how many watts) to a complicated question is definately an oversight.
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Thomann is moving in the right direction as they're quoting the frequency response and sensitivity for every speaker that they have specs for, making them more directly comparable, but when I last looked, a lot of cabs still had those details missing and some specs were misleading. I think they're constantly correcting those specs, and it would be great if all shops followed suit and if all manufacturers stopped clutching their pearls and listed those specs so we could actually compare them properly.
As it is, listing only power and impedance benefits only the manufacturers, definitely not the consumers.
As it is, listing only power and impedance benefits only the manufacturers, definitely not the consumers.
Well yes and no at the same time?
If You want to match an amp and a speaker (or cab), those numbers are quite useful.As for "taste", or "sound" or "loudness"? Not that much.
That would be a good starting point, but as soon as You put a speaker in a specific cabinet, everything changes.
*Correction, can't edit: For every cab they sell.That would be a good starting point, but as soon as You put a speaker in a specific cabinet, everything changes.
Fun fact, they had no graphs for the cab I bought
Harley Benton G112Plus Thiele Unloaded
Cabinet for Electric Guitar Unloaded - without speaker, 18 mm plywood housing with falcata core with meranti back and top layer, Front-loaded, Closed back, Resonance frequency: 60 Hz, Black Taurus Tolex covering, Black grille cloth, White piping,...
www.thomann.de
Out of curiosity, I assume you used it as a bass guitar cab. What speaker did you put in it and did you measure it?
My rumble 100's stock speaker lives in there. (changed the handle/feet to it's sides)
I did not measure, there is nothing to compare it to. If I had the stock speaker in my modded r100, I could measure the 2 cabs' difference (added the amp/speaker jacks), but the basslite lives in there and I kept my 2nd r100 stcok (except some lining).
Also bought a
Harley Benton GPA-100 to drive it. (from the r100's efx send mostly) That little thing is awesome.
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I second that GPA-100 is awesome. It's an interesting idea to use it with the FX send from the Rumble combo. I might try it with the Studio 40.
You did notice the caveatal adverbs, right?Dunno. Changed the speaker in one of my r100s and there is a significant volume difference. Now I got two 100W combos, except one is louder.
We should all demand frequency response graphs like stereo speakers (used to?) come with.
YES! Like the good old Orions here.
(that response graph is a lie tough
)AND efficiency graphs!
Also some "proper" marketing!
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I use a 23” flat patch cord (EBS) to connect two R100s. When disconnected the patch cord is plugged into the #1 R100 FX out & in. Better than a sticky note!Hmm. If I had a second R100 in "Ivory", at least I'd know which was which w/o resorting to "Post-It" notes.
This, of course, assumes I could afford a second R100. Mufunzalo.
