Fender Rumble Club

[Stealth57]

That was originally mentioned there, but a certain respected and very experienced elder equine said it's a waste of time & money 'cause it doesn't even get to the switch contacts that way! And spraying it into the jack just creates a mess and can actually harm other things.

But, thanks for trying to help.

I will just respectfully disagree. Been using it on pots and jacks for several years. It evaporates and does not leave a mess. Just don't spray it on electrically active circuits without waiting for it to dry.

 

[Miles_ONeal]

Our jam room (yes, the company provides space and some instruments) has several guitar amps but only one bass amp. 500 watts, but someone lost the extension speaker cable...

 

[RL5]

Odd question - I am selling my house and during the walk through, the new buyers threw away the boxes for my Stage 800 and Studio 40. I always keep boxes in case I decide to sell my gear. Anyone know how much it would cost to replace those boxes? Obviously they are not run-of-the-mill items, as they are sturdy enough to hold and protect the amps during shipping.

Thanks for any info you can provide.

 

[G-Dog]

Odd question - I am selling my house and during the walk through, the new buyers threw away the boxes for my Stage 800 and Studio 40. I always keep boxes in case I decide to sell my gear. Anyone know how much it would cost to replace those boxes? Obviously they are not run-of-the-mill items, as they are sturdy enough to hold and protect the amps during shipping.

Thanks for any info you can provide.

Harrumph! What gives prospective home buyers the right to dispose of contents in a walk-through?!!? I believe new boxes are available for approximately $1500 from Sweetwater! You may give them the option of replacing said boxes or adding that cost to the price of the house! mumblegrumbledumble

(They don't need to know that the equivalent, if not identical, boxes can be had for as low as $730 from the same source since the R200c, R500c, R800c & RS800c are all the same size, as are the R40c & RS40c.)

If that doesn't work, you could ask your local music store if they will give, or sell, you boxes from their floor models. (Remember the models' size equivalents.) Happy hunting.

 

[Zam]

That's because the Rumble 40 does not have an Effects Loop! If your amp does have an FX Loop, might it be another model? Please check the nameplate again and post a picture of it.​

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Hey! I'm a dumbass. You're completely right: the model of mine is the Rumble 100!

??? Can I assume you're plugging the amp's Send in to the pedal's input and not the pedal's output? ​

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The "chain" I'm using is this:

Cable 1: Bass ---> Hx Stomp Input L / MONO
Cable 2: Hx Stomp Output L / Mono ---> Effects Return (AMP)

 

[Zam]

You may need to crank the Stomp's output as well. You need a higher level output going into the FX Return than into the Input jack.

Hey, Miles! Thanks for the reply. Do you mean change the output to "line / instrument" or change the output block?

Edit: just learned this:
- Easy rule: Going into the front of a guitar amp, INSTRUMENT.
- Plugging pretty much into anything else (poweramp, FX return, audio interface, etc.) should be at LINE. There is no real danger in using the wrong one, since is mainly just a volume difference.

I will just respectfully disagree. Been using it on pots and jacks for several years. It evaporates and does not leave a mess. Just don't spray it on electrically active circuits without waiting for it to dry.

Thanks, Stealth! I'll try that.

 

[G-Dog]

I will just respectfully disagree. Been using it on pots and jacks for several years. It evaporates and does not leave a mess. Just don't spray it on electrically active circuits without waiting for it to dry.

With respect, agedhorse has been designing, building and repairing amps for many decades and seen deoxit cause more problems than it solved. You may have been lucky for several years, but you ignore his more experienced advice at your peril.​

... ... Thanks, Stealth! I'll try that.

You should think again, Zam.​

 

[GregT]

I just saved an old Peavey amp's gain pot with Peavey Funk Out, which containts Deoxit, only a few weeks ago. Then I just got a near mint 2016 Duo Sonic last week that had a scratchy pot and the push/ pull knob didn't work at all. A little spray into the pot and switch followed by several minutes of working the pot and switch and now it is perfect. For input jacks, I use it with a cue tip and it has worked for me for decades. These are not flukes. Some of us have used it quite successfully for a long, long time. I still have my original can with plenty left, because it is use sparingly. It is not something I would just spray onto electronics or circuit boards; that would be wrong. But, it is a great product for certain applications.

 

[mixbus]

I just saved an old Peavey amp's gain pot with Peavey Funk Out, which containts Deoxit, only a few weeks ago. Then I just got a near mint 2016 Duo Sonic last week that had a scratchy pot and the push/ pull knob didn't work at all. A little spray into the pot and switch followed by several minutes of working the pot and switch and now it is perfect. For input jacks, I use it with a cue tip and it has worked for me for decades. These are not flukes. Some of us have used it quite successfully for a long, long time. I still have my original can with plenty left, because it is use sparingly. It is not something I would just spray onto electronics or circuit boards; that would be wrong. But, it is a great product for certain applications.

There are several different formulas of DeOxit for different purposes. Some people use it as a general term, like Kleenex or xerox.

Some need flushing out with another product after used, some don’t.

Like anything, use the wrong one in the wrong place, and…

Hence the reason for Agedhorse’s warning.

YMMV

whadda I know?…

 

[GregT]

I agree with all warnings on DeoxIT® (I have Peavey Funk Out which also contains petroleum naphtha) and certainly respect Agedhorse's opinions and knowledge. His help and advice on these forums is priceless.

My first experience with it was indeed to destroy a potentiometer when I was young. I took it apart afterward to learn from my experience. It had destroyed a plastic part internally. I had used way too much. Lesson learned. It just takes so little.

In some instances, it is the absolute correct thing to use: Several years ago, I came across a gold foil pickup 1966 Holiday Rocket (Harmony USA made) guitar with case in a thrift store for $75. When I got it home, and plugged it in, it had scratchy pots. Changing the pots on a vintage guitar lowers its value immediately. I brought all the wiring out through one of the f-holes and was amazed at the quality. It was wired with a shielded loom with a coiled metal casing. It rivals the wiring on my Gretsch White Falcon. With the wiring on my bench, one at a time, I used a little, and I do mean little spray and worked each pot for a good long while. Maintaining its integrity of the instrument was formost. Changing the pots was the second choice, and if the DeoxIT failed, I would have proceeded. As is, I did the right thing. It is an amazing instrument.

DeoxIT can destroy electronics. Nowadays, I only use it as a first response and only on parts I am capable of replacing myself if it fails. It has saved me time and money. The one can I have has been with me for decades and will still be plenty left in it I leave this world.

 

[toughluck]

I looked it up and the first result was a very reasonable Reddit thread about it:


The top comment unpacks the problems with deoxit:

One, spraying it on the pot shaft (like a lot of people do) will cause problems. Deoxit will mix with the shaft lubricating grease and flush some of that mix out.
Problem no. 1: You remove some of the lubricant from the bearing, the rest mixes with deoxit and it will cause problems with the shaft getting stuck.
Problem no. 2: What's flushed out will contaminate whatever electronics it gets on.

Two, because deoxit is sold in aerosol cans, it encourages people to spray it indiscriminately into their electronics without considering where it will land. The residue is somewhat conductive and corrosive. You can imagine the problems it will cause.
The idea is to spray some of it into a small cup and apply it with a dropper or with a bit of tissue on tweezers, then wipe off all of the remaining residue.

 

[SonnyBassPlayer]

Just chiming in because I've had a Rumble100 since 2016 which has seen anything from gigs to rehersal to open fields and moving houses and it still keeps unbothered.
I may not actually like the sound fully... but it delivers.

Only real annoyance: D.I. volume is liked to master/cab volume. That is annoying.

 

[toughluck]

Just a final word from me about deoxit: the clue is in the name: de-oxy-it

It's meant to remove oxidation which is the number one reason for problems with electromechanical components, especially potentiometers. To clean oxidized metal, you need something that will corrode the oxide without corroding too much of the metal underneath. A lot of research goes into that, but if it corrodes the metal oxide, it will corrode the metal, too. Which is why you need to apply it judiciously, remove the excess and wipe off all residue.

Since deoxit itself needs to be an electrolyte, it's conductive and when it dissolves the metal oxide, it likely becomes even more conductive (depending on the exact formulation and the metal you work on).

 

[GregT]

Just chiming in because I've had a Rumble100 since 2016 which has seen anything from gigs to rehersal to open fields and moving houses and it still keeps unbothered.
I may not actually like the sound fully... but it delivers.

Only real annoyance: D.I. volume is liked to master/cab volume. That is annoying.

I felt that way at first, but on stage, I found my own workaround early on. When the soundman was hooking up my amp's DI, I pointed at the volume knob on my Rumble 200 and told him to feel free to walk up on stage at any time and adjust it. He said that no one had ever said that to him before. Back at his console, he made me sound so good that night. He never touched my amp.

 

[G-Dog]

Just chiming in because I've had a Rumble100 since 2016 which has seen anything from gigs to rehersal to open fields and moving houses and it still keeps unbothered.
I may not actually like the sound fully... but it delivers.

Only real annoyance: D.I. volume is linked to master/cab volume. That is annoying.

Ciao, Sonny! @SonnyBassPlayer, you are now member #1905 in the Fender Rumble Club. Congratulations and welcome. Please put that number in your TalkBass Signature for safe keeping. Then make yourself at home here and on your Rumble Club Wiki page, the repository of all Rumbling wisdom and knowledge.

The Post-Volume levels of the XLR are not nearly as drastic as some people make out. See the testimonials of several Rumblers on the Club Wiki. Don't be so sensitive.

So, how about telling us a bit about yourself, Sonny, such as your bass experience in general and your Rumble journey in particular? You'll fit right in here since we have all kinds. But we all love to ... ... ...

Rumble On!​

 

[Miles_ONeal]

Hey, Miles! Thanks for the reply. Do you mean change the output to "line / instrument" or change the output block?

Edit: just learned this:
- Easy rule: Going into the front of a guitar amp, INSTRUMENT.
- Plugging pretty much into anything else (poweramp, FX return, audio interface, etc.) should be at LINE. There is no real danger in using the wrong one, since is mainly just a volume difference.



Thanks, Stealth! I'll try that.

I'm not familiar with the Stomp so I can't answer that. And yes, you found a crucial thing to know! But you still might need to turn the output knob on the pedal higher for FX Return. I assume it has an output/volume knob.

 

[Miles_ONeal]

I just saved an old Peavey amp's gain pot with Peavey Funk Out, which containts Deoxit, only a few weeks ago. Then I just got a near mint 2016 Duo Sonic last week that had a scratchy pot and the push/ pull knob didn't work at all. A little spray into the pot and switch followed by several minutes of working the pot and switch and now it is perfect. For input jacks, I use it with a cue tip and it has worked for me for decades. These are not flukes. Some of us have used it quite successfully for a long, long time. I still have my original can with plenty left, because it is use sparingly. It is not something I would just spray onto electronics or circuit boards; that would be wrong. But, it is a great product for certain applications.

DeOxIt is a great tool. I have modded, maintained, and built tube amps off and on for years. DeOxIt works wonders on noisy pots and problematic jacks, but as others have noted, you need to know where to apply it and use it sparingly. You can always use try a little more. But if a couple of light applications don't do it, more won't, either.

 

[toughluck]

Strange thing: I got an e-mail notification that @GregT posted in this thread about an hour ago, but his post is very obviously missing, and when I click the link in the e-mail, I get an error page:

https://www.talkbass.com/goto/post?id=29573035

Something wrong with the forum software?

 

[GregT]

Strange thing: I got an e-mail notification that @GregT posted in this thread about an hour ago, but his post is very obviously missing, and when I click the link in the e-mail, I get an error page:

https://www.talkbass.com/goto/post?id=29573035

Something wrong with the forum software?

I started to post a video and decided not to. Sorry about the confusion.

 

[G-Dog]

Strange thing: I got an e-mail notification that @GregT posted in this thread about an hour ago, but his post is very obviously missing, and when I click the link in the e-mail, I get an error page:

https://www.talkbass.com/goto/post?id=29573035

Something wrong with the forum software?

Is that just for GregT's posts, or every post in The Rumble Club?

I'm sorry if I sometimes generate multiple notifications with my edits. More often than not I have to edit my posts, sometimes multiple times! I do try to proofread them before posting, but sometimes misspellings slip through, or I remember something else I wanted to say, or say differently.

Sorry for any inconvenience.