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Fender Rumble Club

#14,661
Rocker47 said:
I'm really excited to know how [the Rumble 200 combo] sounds with an extension cab. Unfortunately, my music store doesn't have a single extension cab in stock. I'll have to order one sight unseen.
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I play the Rumble 200 combo on top of a Rumble 115 cab from time to time and the sound is perfect to my personal ears. I haven't played with the 210 cab connected mostly because moving amps around my living room is like trying to solve a Rubik's Cube.

I tend to use matched speakers (as much as true matching is possible in mass-produced components) just because. That said, I believe a lot of the sonic improvement that comes from stacking cabs (aside from the line array effect, which is substantial) is a result of getting the driver closer to the height of your ears. In my opinion, getting the drivers in line with the listener (me, the bass player, in this instance) is the single biggest factor in how we perceive our tone. If you are standing close to speakers sitting on the floor, the sound is blasting past your knees, not your ears. If you angle speakers so they sound better to you, you may be short-changing the audience 25 feet away. Or when I'm sitting on my sofa, noodling along with TV or the stereo, I am WAY off-axis from my amp and the tone misses a lot of treble and sounds muddier than when I am standing in front of it. This is sort of off-topic to your questions, but I'm adding it as a qualification to other parts of this reply.


That leads to my next question. For those that use the 200 with an extension, do you use a 115 or the 210? I see the 115 is wider than the combo.
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I like matched drivers. But, as far as I can tell, ANY additional drivers oriented correctly will make improvements to your sound and power. The size difference does not bother me. I understand how visual mismatch could drive some folks crazy but it just doesn't bother me.


Just curious as I won't be able to order both to try. I know the rule about mixing speakers and won't go down that trail in this thread. Thank you for answering my concerns so quickly. Cheers!
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Like I said, I'm a fan of matched drivers but compared to the other factors (line array effect, correct orientation) it is the least important factor. And anyway, going against the rules is how much of our modern sounds came to be. Overdrive is one such example of how people "abused" their equipment until they got the sound they wanted. Experiment away with different drivers and orientations. Who knows what sonic breakthroughs await! My inclination is less adventurous so I tend to stick within what is considered the norm.
 
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#14,662
Scott Truesdell said:
If you angle speakers so they sound better to you, you may be short-changing the audience 25 feet away
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Can't say I agree with this statement. Lower frequencies are less directional than higher frequencies. Higher frequencies have shorter wave lengths and therefore don't spread out as quickly.
Lower frequencies with longer wave lengths develop more slowly and are more audible at a distance from the source. What you hear on stage is nothing like what is heard by the audience.
So, I think using a kickback stand so you can hear what you're playing has no negative impact on what the audience hears.
 
#14,663
Gravedigger Dav said:
... What you hear on stage is [quite a bit different from] what is heard by the audience.
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We agree up to this point.


I think using a kickback stand so you can hear what you're playing has no negative impact on what the audience hears.
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This would be the point where our opinions differ.
I don't have a problem that we have different perceptions.
I'm pretty careful to point out that my opinions are just that: opinions. I haven't done scientific analysis with spectrum analyzers or any other equipment.
 
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Scott Truesdell said:
Make sure it's not a mechanical vibration.
When we crank up the watts, we bring down the walls. The "walls" may be internal to the amp in the form of a loose screw allowing a piece to rattle (like maybe the tweeter.)

I thought I had some fault in my Rumble 40 but I was able to track it down to a glass panel of a display case in my living room. If I play any louder than about 9 - 9:30 on the master, something in my house rattles is a fairly neighbor-disturbing mode. What rattles changes depending on which frequency (note) I'm playing.
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edit: I see where I am late to the game with this response.
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Scott Truesdell said:
I play the Rumble 200 combo on top of a Rumble 115 cab from time to time and the sound is perfect to my personal ears. I haven't played with the 210 cab connected mostly because moving amps around my living room is like trying to solve a Rubik's Cube.

I tend to use matched speakers (as much as true matching is possible in mass-produced components) just because. That said, I believe a lot of the sonic improvement that comes from stacking cabs (aside from the line array effect, which is substantial) is a result of getting the driver closer to the height of your ears. In my opinion, getting the drivers in line with the listener (me, the bass player, in this instance) is the single biggest factor in how we perceive our tone. If you are standing close to speakers sitting on the floor, the sound is blasting past your knees, not your ears. If you angle speakers so they sound better to you, you may be short-changing the audience 25 feet away. Or when I'm sitting on my sofa, noodling along with TV or the stereo, I am WAY off-axis from my amp and the tone misses a lot of treble and sounds muddier than when I am standing in front of it. This is sort of off-topic to your questions, but I'm adding it as a qualification to other parts of this reply.




I like matched drivers. But, as far as I can tell, ANY additional drivers oriented correctly will make improvements to your sound and power. The size difference does not bother me. I understand how visual mismatch could drive some folks crazy but it just doesn't bother me.




Like I said, I'm a fan of matched drivers but compared to the other factors (line array effect, correct orientation) it is the least important factor. And anyway, going against the rules is how much of our modern sounds came to be. Overdrive is one such example of how people "abused" their equipment until they got the sound they wanted. Experiment away with different drivers and orientations. Who knows what sonic breakthroughs await! My inclination is less adventurous so I tend to stick within what is considered the norm.
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Thank you so much for the responses. Indeed I have considered some of these situations and luckily I can get help in this thread. I too have used mostly matched drivers in my cabs (215,810,410,412) in the past. It's ironic that you mentioned the mismatch in visual appearance because it came to my mind instantly. I don't think it looks bad at all and actually may be more stable with a wider bass(see what I did there). At this point I am looking for good sound, portable and a nice looking amp. I think in any configuration these fit those needs. My last question would be to choose the 200 or 500? I'm thinking the 200 would cover 99% of my needs as it is used for stage volume mostly anyway. I alerted the store about the rattle and am going in to show them and then they can decide what to do. One of their other locations has a 200 combo so I can get a replacement if need be. Thanks again for the help and opinions. I really appreciate the time taken to answer my concerns. RUMBLE ON!!!!
 
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Rocker47 said:
I'm thinking the 200 would cover 99% of my needs
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I also think this true. The Rumble 200 combo alone can do a tremendous amount all by itself. I wouldn't hesitate to play any 100 seat bar with the Rumble 200 combo without any PA support at all.

If money isn't a huge issue a pair of Rumble 115 cabinets and Rumble 200 head to start. Add a Rumble 500 head later if the venues you are playing warrant the additional power.
 
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Linnin said:
I also think this true. The Rumble 200 combo alone can do a tremendous amount all by itself. I wouldn't hesitate to play any 100 seat bar with the Rumble 200 combo without any PA support at all.

If money isn't a huge issue a pair of Rumble 115 cabinets and Rumble 200 head to start. Add a Rumble 500 head later if the venues you are playing warrant the additional power.
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Very good point. I would love to not have to care about the end cost and that also played a factor in why I hope the 200 would be suffice. The cost in Canada is $200 difference between the 200 and 500. If the 200 will do I can use that extra to pay for half of an extension cab. Our big chain up here also rents almost everything so if I did need a BIG amp I could rent for that rare occasion. That's been my thoughts as I try to decide. These amps are so cool that I would like to have one of each of them!
 
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Rocker47 said:
That leads to my next question. For those that use the 200 with an extension, do you use a 115 or the 210? I see the 115 is wider than the combo. Just curious as I won't be able to order both to try. I know the rule about mixing speakers and won't go down that trail in this thread. Thank you for answering my concerns so quickly. Cheers!
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Go back and read post 14192 and 14197 on page 710. Two 15 inch speakers are "it" for me.
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99Z3 said:
I think that that "pics or it didn't happen or you don't have it" is crap.. that is my feeling about.. if you aren't a Lady or a man of your word... what else do you have? Nothing!
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I wasn't really doubting whether the guy has a Rumble, you guys realize that, don't you???

It was just my stupid way of encouraging the new "member" to brag a little by posting a pic of their new Rumble gear, and we all get to see another Rumble in action!
 
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azfatboy said:
I wasn't really doubting whether the guy has a Rumble, you guys realize that, don't you???

It was just my stupid way of encouraging the new "member" to brag a little by posting a pic of their new Rumble gear, and we all get to see another Rumble in action!
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Pics or it didn't happen is just a saying. It isn't calling anyone out or anything. Just a saying people use. We do like pictures!!:snaphappy::snaphappy::snaphappy::D
 
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