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75 lbs for the complete rig. Small wonder I see so many 410 cabs selling for cheap on the local CL. Why anyone hauls around an old heavy rig around anymore totally escapes me. If anyone wants a 410 they're plentiful and cheap these days.
Believe me, the weight is the biggest factor in my purchase. My current rig is old school, rack mount head, tuner, power conditioner. plus two heavy cabinets. Probably pushing 200 lbs. The thought of casually fitting my new amp and cab into the backseat of the Camry puts a smile on my face. Before, it was a 2 person struggle up the basement stairs, and then into the van. I just turned 45, so i knew the days of the old setup were numbered.
410's and 500 watts besides being the smallest rig I've owned is also the most powerful AND loudest rig I've ever used. Win - win!
Buy used, one purchased in 2016 with original receipt will cost less, and have 2+ more years on the warranty vs buying new.
First full rehearsal (other than some drummer auditions) in over 2 months tonight, just the 200, left the 112 in the car. I can't get over how good the modest 15" combo sounds with the equally modest bolt on epiphone Thunderbird from PROC, tuned to drop c with .115 .090 .070 .050 with .73 mm tortex (yellow) playing system of a down songs. Since there was no cab, I had to push the master to about 1, with the gain on noon, bass flat, low mids at 12:30 and high mids and treble around 1:30. Gain maybe 11:15. No buttons. Overdrive set at about 7:30 with level set to match clean volume, and used for light grit to emulate the first album tone on songs like sugar and suite pee. Boss odb3 for the distortion intro on psycho, and I kick it in during most solos, and the heavy part in aerials. I have the blend set about 1/4 and the gain at half, so I get plenty of clean low end. A vintage boss ce2b chorus on some songs, and bf2b flange set with a fast rate for the spiders intro (and I use it on the outro as well, even though it isn't on the album, it should be!). It is a hit, and I like it to sound right because I am naked in the intro (bass only I mean, not flea naked), so it does not bother me to have a pedal used in only one song. Plus I already owned it.
In so cal? Come see/hear it tonight (may 4 star wars day) at Diego's in Santa Ana. Also with an AIC and a blink 182 tribute. We go on around 9:30-10. I might be doing the room with no support, since they usually only mic the kick and vocals, but I may need a little help with the 200/112 if the soundman is willing, maybe ask him to LPF it to just get some help in the sub because we are on a small stage. I think the mids coming out of the 15 on top won't need much support if any, but it would be nice to have some boom in the sub with the kick.
In so cal? Come see/hear it tonight (may 4 star wars day) at Diego's in Santa Ana. Also with an AIC and a blink 182 tribute. We go on around 9:30-10. I might be doing the room with no support, since they usually only mic the kick and vocals, but I may need a little help with the 200/112 if the soundman is willing, maybe ask him to LPF it to just get some help in the sub because we are on a small stage. I think the mids coming out of the 15 on top won't need much support if any, but it would be nice to have some boom in the sub with the kick.
Yep--I keep looking. So far the ones I have found are in Cali or NY. When you add shipping to GA they get back up over the $500 mark. I keep hoping one will turn up down here.
Assuming you can find one used. I looked for some time, never saw a 500 pop up. Nor a 210 cab.
Oh, No, did I get stupid or what. I meant master at 9:00 and gain at 10:00. Had my watch on upside down...yeah, that's my story and I'm stickin' to it.So you are running your rig pretty much wide open?!
I found 2 500 combos for a good price--but shipping to me is $100 +--so may as well buy new with free shipping.
It has been done, and is reportedly louder than satan.
Satan was a loud musician. Got his arse kicked out of Heaven.
So it looks like a new 500c is now 599. A new 2x10 extension is 349. So essentially $250 for the built-in amp. The separate head is $399.
I've got a 500c. Was thinking of getting a 2x10 extension. But... if I were to save up and get ANOTHER 500c I see I can mate the two. Wattage wise, I guess that would be 700w. Plus the option of adding 2 MORE 2x10s for 1000w total. (I'd consider the 1x15 but I love the sound of my 500c SO much, I just can't do it. I want more of THAT.)
So really, I think it's best I save and get the 2nd 500c instead of the extension. Plus the flexibility to have them in different places should the need arise. I know people love the idea of a separate head. Just for me personally I don't consider that a plus as I can't imagine ever wanting to hook it to some other brand of speakers.
Now, this is all PURELY theoretical. I don't even need an extension at this point. At 350w I can blow away every guitarist in my band (as long as I have my earplugs in). They'll cut a hole in my eardrum but I'll rumble them off the stage. Still... THEORETICALLY speaking of course... I'm thinking that a 2nd 500c seems a better value in the end with more flexibility.
So what's this all leading to? How much of a difference would I really notice between having 2 500c's daisy-chained over just having a 2x10 extension? I know, at any reasonable volume level there probably would BE no difference. But at unreasonable volumes, whaddya think? Again, all purely theoretical. I promise I won't actually DO that (should wifey be reading this.)
I've got a 500c. Was thinking of getting a 2x10 extension. But... if I were to save up and get ANOTHER 500c I see I can mate the two. Wattage wise, I guess that would be 700w. Plus the option of adding 2 MORE 2x10s for 1000w total. (I'd consider the 1x15 but I love the sound of my 500c SO much, I just can't do it. I want more of THAT.)
So really, I think it's best I save and get the 2nd 500c instead of the extension. Plus the flexibility to have them in different places should the need arise. I know people love the idea of a separate head. Just for me personally I don't consider that a plus as I can't imagine ever wanting to hook it to some other brand of speakers.
Now, this is all PURELY theoretical. I don't even need an extension at this point. At 350w I can blow away every guitarist in my band (as long as I have my earplugs in). They'll cut a hole in my eardrum but I'll rumble them off the stage. Still... THEORETICALLY speaking of course... I'm thinking that a 2nd 500c seems a better value in the end with more flexibility.
So what's this all leading to? How much of a difference would I really notice between having 2 500c's daisy-chained over just having a 2x10 extension? I know, at any reasonable volume level there probably would BE no difference. But at unreasonable volumes, whaddya think? Again, all purely theoretical. I promise I won't actually DO that (should wifey be reading this.)
Yes, go ahead and do that.
Yes, then do that also.
But of course.
There are advantages to having a second 500c. Instead of 500w with the ext, you would get 700w with the two 500c. And, you will always have a backup. worst case, you're back down to 350w. The way to do that is use one amp as the master. That is the amp you will plug your bass into and where you will do the EQ. You run a cable from the Effects Send of the master to the other amp, the slave, into it's Effects Return. Now you have two amps working at 350w each.
Were you to add the two 2x10s to get 1000w, you would hurt people if you're not playing stadiums.
OK, I decided to complete the full series:OK, here it is, the (un)official Fender Rumble Dial O'Clock Setting Diagram:
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That should settle the settings issues from now on
Edit: Rumble (V3 anyway) settings go from 7 to 5 (min to max).
Edit: stickers are available on special order
Edit: the small version is available now as well - free of charge:
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I totally agree with this!!
As you say ( @Blue Dragon ) the 2x combo option works great for a home and rehearsal space rig, and you can always join them together when needed.
But as @Gravedigger Dav points out, 700W of Rumble is a hell of a lot. As much as we can all dream of the "Rumble Wall Of Doom", I can't think any of us could logically name 1 situation in which we could actually use (never mind need) 1000W of Rumble! It is good for fun once in a while to say "Hey,
My "big" rig before the Rumble was a 1200W setup, which I could actually increase to 2000W if I wanted, but even when backed up with a 10.000W PA (sometimes even bigger), not once could I turn the rig up above 50% without it completely drowwing out the stage and the first 20 rows of people. I did do it on ocasions during rehearsal (or even a few times at soundcheck) to make the point of "I can make it unbearable if you don't turn down!", but it was disturbing!
I would say that 2x combos, plus maybe 1x extension cab, could be very useful, but more for practicality than volume.
I have yet to find myself in a situation where I need to max the 500C out, and until then, I can't even warrant buying a single extension cab. I would rather spend the money on more bass(es). Don't get me wrong, I love the Rumble and all its tones, but I get all that with just the 500C, what more do I need?
(note: I do have a couple of PA systems, and in 90% of the live situations I run through PA, YMMV obviously)
