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Finger placement, technique, style?

MaJoFa

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What do you do if you try to learn to play, but feel that your fingers aren't doing what you think they should be doing? Does it come with time? Or are you creating much deeper, long term problems by continuing without addressing your concerns?

Are there any online resource to help with this? Or do I need to book an appointment to get help? With that, my main concern is, how do I know how good the "teacher" is to begin with and am I getting the right advice?
 
Good question. For finger placemeant I suggest running your scales up and down your fretboard in the twelve different keys --- about a zillion times.

Most every instrument starts you out running your scales so your fingers get to know your instrument, plus your ear begins to hear the good sounds from the bad sounds. So get in the shed and run some scales. If you need help with how to go about this, just ask someone will point you in the right direction.
 
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The answer to every technique problem is :
slow down until you can accurately and comfortably execute.

are you just beginning? If so: practice is the answer.
playing an instrument is awkward and new at first.
slow down and lighten your touch until your fingers go where needed.
do not worry about speed: worry about accuracy.
play it right first, then slowly increase speed.

If you are not a beginner: might be something else going on.
 
The issue I have is that my middle finger is not straight when fretting the lower notes. It is bending to rest on my index finger, if that makes sense? I'm wondering if I just need to practice, or if I have a gimpy finger!!
 
Keep practicing the best way you can. However remember if you practice using bad technique you get really good at playing bad techniques. I suggest you show another bassists and let them see what you are doing. They will then be able to point you in the right direction.
I think you're right. It's enough to concern me and I think if I carry on I am going to do more harm than good. I guess I just wondered if this was normal, or if I do genuinely need guidance.
 
Welcome aboard @MaJoFa!

If I understand your question correctly: Sometimes you use two fingers instead of one finger, and you want to know if that is normal and allowed? For example instead of just pressing the string down to the fret with your middle (2nd) finger, you are using the combined strength of both your index and middle (1st and 2nd) fingers, working together as a team?

In my opinion, that is a normal and common method for playing the bass. It can be more ergonomic and less fatiguing, to get your whole hand in on the action, and not rely just on one finger.

That said, playing the amplified electric bass shouldn't require much strength or force. Fretting a note on the bass should require about the same amount of force as typing a letter on your computer keyboard. If you are using a lot of strength to play the bass, and you feel fatigued after you practice, t is possible you are falling into one of two common beginner traps: 1) Your bass should be comfortably "set up." This means finding a brand and type of strings that are comfortable for your needs, and the "action" on the bass is correctly set up, so the strings are close to the frets and don't take much effort to fret. 2) You are "digging in" too hard instead of relaxing and letting the amp do the hard work. Try turning up your amp, relaxing, and playing with a light touch.

If you take my advice, then I think it should be no problem to fret a string, using only your 2nd finger, without the additional help of your 1st finger.

When in doubt, go on YouTube and study videos of your favorite bassists. Watch their moves and learn by copying the pros. :)
 
The issue I have is that my middle finger is not straight when fretting the lower notes.

I'm unsure what you mean by "not straight", as my fretting fingers are always curved when playing. Straight fingers would require too much unnecessary strain.

this makes me wonder if you are practicing safe left hand technique, or are perhaps locking your hand in one spot and uncomfortably spreading your fingers to make some stretch. It's ok to move your left hand to reach a note, even when staying in one position.

you should consult the holy trinity of beginner bass technique videos
 
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Thanks for sharing the photo.

I don't want to bombard you with information, so I'll make what I think is the most important suggestion:

I think that, if you relaxed your elbow and let it drop toward the floor, then your wrist would be more of a vertical orientation (instead of your wrist parallel to the floor, as it currently is). This would allow you to straighten out your fingers, and then you could play with all four fingers pointing up toward the ceiling. (Also make sure you've set the length of your strap correctly, so you're not supporting the neck with your left hand. You should be able to let go with both hands, and the bass doesn't change position. Your bass should be the same height and position whether you are sitting or standing.)

I'd share a photo of myself, but I have much stubbier fingers than you ;) so I tried to find a photo of a successful famous pro who has a long middle finger like you. Here is a photo of Daryl Jones from the Rolling Stones. Notice that he has a long middle finger and, like you, he needs to curve his middle finger, or else it is too long to reach the E string. The important difference, though, is notice how his wrist is lower than your wrist. This allows him to straighten his hand and uncurl his 3rd and 4th fingers, so that all four of his fingers are roughly parallel and pointed up at the ceiling. If you compare his left hand with your left hand, do you agree his hand looks more relaxed and neutral than yours?

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Here is an action shot of Daryl on stage. Again, notice all four fingers are relatively straight and parallel, and pointed up.

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Who are some of YOUR favorite pro players, who you think have solid fundamental technique?
 
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your fingers aren't doing what you think they should be doing? [What do you do?]
Most people just give up and quit. But some persevere, get professional guidance, and learn to excel at their instrument

how do I know how good the "teacher" is to begin with and am I getting the right advice?
With online ads, you don’t know. Anyone can claim expertise and experience. Rock music stores tend to employ popular local performers, who may or may not be good teachers. So you need someone with credentials. My advice? Call your local college or university, and ask who teaches bass lessons, and arrange a few.
 
Ultimately - it's a matter of time spent focusing on different aspects of the instrument. Guidance speeds it up but the initial hurdle of just about any technique will make you think your hands must be mentally challenged.

I spent at least a month just plucking open strings for 20-30 minutes a day when I gave up guitar for bass to develop my plucking hand technique - starting slowly and building it up. Played some Rocksmith to give me something to attempt to play which helped. Spend 5-10 minutes plucking fingers, another 5-10 on exercises in the links below, spend 5-10 minutes learning scales and chord shapes starting with the major scale in the key of C, spend 5-10 minutes noodling - i.e. trying to make music out of the notes within the scales you know. Spend another 10-20 minutes learning any songs you want to learn by ear and/or with notation or tablature . Spread it out through out the day, do it all in 30 minutes to an hour, just take a stab at it every day. Break it up and focus on one aspect at a time, then try to make it all work together.

Learning some scales and chord shapes helps but check out this link -

https://www.guitarplayer.com/technique/warm-up-time-11-exercises-that-will-help-you-play-even-better

Specifically figures 1-4. These aren't musical scores so any pattern covering 4 strings can be applied to the bass.

use the tab - the bottom line is the lowest string the top line is the highest, the number is which fret to play. if it says run 5 6 7 8 index on the 5th fret, middle on the 6th fret, ring for the 7th, pinky for the 8th. Then shift up for the next 4 frets.

ignore any exercise using chords unless you also want to play guitar.. but figures 1-4 can be applied to your fretting hand on the bass, minus the high B and E strings. You can probably find something similar like this specifically for bass if you google, but it's pretty much the same concept.

Do them once a day for a couple weeks, start from the 5th fret early on and over time work your way to the 12th fret, once you can do that then start from the first fret to develop your reach across the fretboard and the stretching will strengthen and make your fingers more flexible.

These are also great exercises as a warm-up throughout the future to help loosen you up and get your blood flowing before a session or a show. Start slow - 60 BPM and work your way up 2-5bpm at a time. You don't HAVE to use a metronome but might as well start developing your timing. Weeks to months later you'll be able to handle it at faster tempos to a click or a drum beat if you regularly incorporate both.

While you're at it - there's a book called bass aerobics that will start you out with exercises to help you develop your plucking hand with emphasis on alternating while ascending, and raking while descending if using finger technique.

Here's a video from a different person - Scott Devine - who will show you what is meant by alternating and raking.



- Take any free education you can find.. seek a local bass instructor (preferably a bass instructor not a guitarist who teaches bass)


Most importantly, be patient. Music is something one never stops learning if they pursue it in their lifetime. It doesn't happen overnight. It takes work and the sooner you begin, and the more you do with some guidance on proper techniques, and some theory doesn't hurt the better you'll get over the years.

You can also build individual finger coordination a bit without an instrument near by. It doesn't really help with fretboard familiarization but it does help get your fingers used to moving by themselves.

Just place your hand flat on a table or desk or your bed and practice lifting one finger at a time. The hand I fret with does this a lot easier than my right, as I tend to only use two fingers on the right.

There are also hand exercise machines designed to exercise fingers individually.
 
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The issue I have is that my middle finger is not straight when fretting the lower notes. It is bending to rest on my index finger, if that makes sense? I'm wondering if I just need to practice, or if I have a gimpy finger!!

Welcome to TalkBass!!!!!

As @mambo4 said, almost every problem can be resolved by slowing down and doing it right until you can do it fast.

Just practice using one finger per fret.

Also, make sure your bass is set up well. If you aren't ready to do that yourself, take it to a pro.
 
What do you do if you try to learn to play, but feel that your fingers aren't doing what you think they should be doing?

keep practicing

Does it come with time?

in most typical beginner cases, yes....if you are just beginning, there are a lot of times when you will get this phenomenon: you go over and over something and cant get it (sometimes for days and even weeks), you put it down and walk away frustrated for a couple of days/week and let it stew in your mind, then you pick it up after not touching it for days/week and - all of a sudden - you can do it! Its like magic...that phenomenon happens all through life but a lot at the beginning

Or are you creating much deeper, long term problems by continuing without addressing your concerns?

in most typical beginner cases, no

Are there any online resource to help with this?

plenty

Or do I need to book an appointment to get help?

you don't need to but it can only help

With that, my main concern is, how do I know how good the "teacher" is to begin with and am I getting the right advice?

learning is a lifelong process...


just my $.02.....everyones mileage will vary